Leavitt, Holtz, CTW -and the 1st sign of hope

[snarling Bull]

What's good about CWT?

... But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? ...

We went bowling in an infinitely better conference than the one we are in now or that Holtz ever coached in with Pat Julmiste under center. We maintained the ~8 win status quo with B.J. Daniels thrown into the fire his redshirt freshman year.

It's safe to say we'd be winning more than 2-4 games in this garbage conference we're in if Leavitt were here, even if you give him the same roster.

leavitt wouldnt be doing anythingwith this roster but it is true he would probably have recruited better

but at the end of the leavitt would have usf in the middle of the conference

leavitt never won a thing in all his years here

He won enough games to go bowling consistently, we had a stellar home record, and he won 3 out of 5 of those bowl games. That's head and antlers above what Holtz and especially Taggart have accomplished.

Amen and Leavitt played against much better competition

[Bull Matrix]

 

 

 

 

What's good about CWT?

... But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? ...

We went bowling in an infinitely better conference than the one we are in now or that Holtz ever coached in with Pat Julmiste under center. We maintained the ~8 win status quo with B.J. Daniels thrown into the fire his redshirt freshman year.

It's safe to say we'd be winning more than 2-4 games in this garbage conference we're in if Leavitt were here, even if you give him the same roster.

leavitt wouldnt be doing anythingwith this roster but it is true he would probably have recruited better

but at the end of the leavitt would have usf in the middle of the conference

leavitt never won a thing in all his years here

He won enough games to go bowling consistently, we had a stellar home record, and he won 3 out of 5 of those bowl games. That's head and antlers above what Holtz and especially Taggart have accomplished.

Amen and Leavitt played against much better competition

 

He also played a big part in getting that 67k to watch USF football beat WVU. We may never see that again at USF. 

[DELdaBull]

There's no hope for us.

[NCBull]

There's no hope for us.

None? Then why are you still here?

[Brad]

What's good about CWT?

... But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? ...

We went bowling in an infinitely better conference than the one we are in now or that Holtz ever coached in with Pat Julmiste under center. We maintained the ~8 win status quo with B.J. Daniels thrown into the fire his redshirt freshman year.

It's safe to say we'd be winning more than 2-4 games in this garbage conference we're in if Leavitt were here, even if you give him the same roster.

leavitt wouldnt be doing anythingwith this roster but it is true he would probably have recruited better

but at the end of the leavitt would have usf in the middle of the conference

leavitt never won a thing in all his years here

He won enough games to go bowling consistently, we had a stellar home record, and he won 3 out of 5 of those bowl games. That's head and antlers above what Holtz and especially Taggart have accomplished.

Or all of his detractors for that matter. Regardless, we've screwed the pooch and it's a matter of survival now.

[Apis Bull]

Another one.

[usf97]

[NewEnglandBull]

On 1/25/2015 at 4:47 PM, DELdaBull said:

There's no hope for us.

Bye-bye...

[Mike Stuben]

On 1/1/2015 at 7:32 AM, Flowers4Heisman said:

Most of us can agree that Leavitt wasn't great at X's and O's.

 

But how did he succeed at building USF football from the ground up? He used an open system and allowed the athletes to play. We ran simple stuff on offense, and on defense we were always aggressive.

 

And he always pumped the team up before game time. You never saw Leavitt needing a hug (to lift him up) before game time. He was always pumped up, and then players fed off of him. We always had so many penalties because they were so jacked up most of the time.

 

But the downfall to Leavitt system is that when a game is tight, and when USF had something to lose, the emotions failed us. And then the X's and O's bit us where it hurt.

 

Why did Holtz fail? 

 

(1) He never understood how and why Leavitt won. But he did try to keep it together (the same system) while slowly work in his system.

(2) He could never pump up the team. There went 1/2 of the victories he would have had.

(3) Defensively, it was "turrible". Soft. Not aggressive.

(4) He could not recruit any better than Leavitt did.

 

Yes, say what you want, Holtz was probably better at X's and O's than Leavitt. But he had no idea what he was stepping into when he took over the program. And he probably left the program scratching his head.

 

Why has CWT done so poorly for 2 years?

 

(1) He installed a brand-new system with players who had no identity. And even worse, he put in a system that takes years to recruit and put together. Going one step further, I would argue that it's a system for the Big Ten: Wisconsin is the role model for this setup.

 

(2) He took away the number one asset for being a Florida school: Florida athletes. He slowed everything down and made the players play in slow motion, negating their speed and athleticism. The formations and motions were more important than the players! When you see our players making mistakes that seem so unexplainable, it tells me that they are being made to practice and learn a system that is so foreign to them. They didn't play this way in junior high and high school. The only ones that look natural out there? The running backs. Thank goodness he lets them run.

 

(3) Team philosophy. The defense seldom gambles. And on offense, it's been like some kind of dance routine with the formations. It sort of reminds me of the British Redcoats back in the day. They'd get into their formations and then get all shot up.

 

What's good about CWT?

 

He's able to recruit pretty well. Still, we didn't get a QB that we needed. But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? Personally, I think it's a flawed system for USF football. And even Matt couldn't have made it work.

 

Where's the hope?

 

He says he's loosening things up and let the players play. Sounds good. And we have a new Defensive Coordinator. Maybe we can be aggressive?

 

One disagreement. Jim Leavitt was a pretty good X's and O's coach. While I could point to many examples, my favorite example is the fact that USF under Leavitt dominated overtime. Not only were we undefeated in overtime, but I think we scored every possession. If you go back and look at what we did in those overtimes, we often would run plays that Leavitt was holding back until overtime. I remember of running some option runs for touchdowns, where for the whole game we didn't run one option play. 

[Jim Johnson]

1 hour ago, Apis Bull said:

Another one.

Another one what?

8 minutes ago, Mike Stuben said:

One disagreement. Jim Leavitt was a pretty good X's and O's coach. While I could point to many examples, my favorite example is the fact that USF under Leavitt dominated overtime. Not only were we undefeated in overtime, but I think we scored every possession. If you go back and look at what we did in those overtimes, we often would run plays that Leavitt was holding back until overtime. I remember of running some option runs for touchdowns, where for the whole game we didn't run one option play. 

Two words: Voodoo 5.

Leavitt was a fair-to-middlin' play caller.