Spread Offense ?

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

 

 

The mental mistakes on offensive side of the ball by both coaches and players has to somewhat attributable to the complex, line shifting business of our scheme right? So now what if Kinnan and Willie simplify things to the point where a bunch of options are available from no huddle based on a handful of foundational sets? I'm grasping at straws here trying to figure it out but if HS kids can run a variety of the offense we are said to be pursuing, certainly USF can?

 

Those shifts have been pissing me off since Day One. Gawd, I hope they're gone

 

Those shifts serve a purpose - they tell the QB what the defense is doing... makes it easier to tell if it's a zone or a man-to-man... and if the defense is committing to the run or pass.

 

Those shifts were not really a problem in 2014.  The few penalties that were called were because the coach took too long getting the plays in.

 

What we'll probably see is a "No huddle" like Jim Leavitt used to run... where the team lines up then looks over at the sideline for the play... then adjusts.  We did a bit of that from time to time this year, so it's not that much different.

 

We'll also see more multiple WR formations... instead of the two WR, two TE sets we ran a lot the past two seasons.

 

In a normal offense with a good QB it serves the purposes you listed. However, not for us the last 2 years. You can't sit here and say Mike White or whoever was our QB even had time to read the defense.

Actually, yeah I can. For the most part, the OL did a decent job of pass protection and our qb's had adequate time to do what they needed to do post snap. It was them, or the receivers', where the breakdown usually came in the passing game. The running game, IMO, is where the OL didn't execute on a consistent enough basis.

 

 

I don't think he was talking about the OL.  He meant that CWT  some unknown coach took so long to get plays in, and then there was all the motion, so there often wasn't time to do anything other than snap the ball.

 

 

This exactly.

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The mental mistakes on offensive side of the ball by both coaches and players has to somewhat attributable to the complex, line shifting business of our scheme right? So now what if Kinnan and Willie simplify things to the point where a bunch of options are available from no huddle based on a handful of foundational sets? I'm grasping at straws here trying to figure it out but if HS kids can run a variety of the offense we are said to be pursuing, certainly USF can?

 

Those shifts have been pissing me off since Day One. Gawd, I hope they're gone

 

Those shifts serve a purpose - they tell the QB what the defense is doing... makes it easier to tell if it's a zone or a man-to-man... and if the defense is committing to the run or pass.

 

Those shifts were not really a problem in 2014.  The few penalties that were called were because the coach took too long getting the plays in.

 

What we'll probably see is a "No huddle" like Jim Leavitt used to run... where the team lines up then looks over at the sideline for the play... then adjusts.  We did a bit of that from time to time this year, so it's not that much different.

 

We'll also see more multiple WR formations... instead of the two WR, two TE sets we ran a lot the past two seasons.

 

In a normal offense with a good QB it serves the purposes you listed. However, not for us the last 2 years. You can't sit here and say Mike White or whoever was our QB even had time to read the defense.

Actually, yeah I can. For the most part, the OL did a decent job of pass protection and our qb's had adequate time to do what they needed to do post snap. It was them, or the receivers', where the breakdown usually came in the passing game. The running game, IMO, is where the OL didn't execute on a consistent enough basis.

 

I don't think he was talking about the OL.  He meant that CWT  some unknown coach took so long to get plays in, and then there was all the motion, so there often wasn't time to do anything other than snap the ball.

No, he's talking about all the shifts being made pre snap, post getting the play in.

 

Ok, but what does that have to do with the play of the OL?

Rewind ... He said the pre snap shifts did no good because no one can say our qb's had time to read the defense's reaction. I thought our qbs DID have time because of the OLs pass blocking this year.

 

 

When did you ever see Mike White calling out things for the Oline based on what he saw after a shift? I can't say I saw it once. It takes longer than a half of a second to read a defense. Where are the safeties(?), is the defense showing pressure (?), if they are showing pressure from which side (?), did the defense have players following the TEs/WR/s shifting with them exactly showing they're in man coverage (?), did the defense shade with the shift showing they're in zone coverage (?)

So many times after the shifting the play clock was under 5 seconds so we just had to snap the ball with no time for anything else.

[Triple B]

The mental mistakes on offensive side of the ball by both coaches and players has to somewhat attributable to the complex, line shifting business of our scheme right? So now what if Kinnan and Willie simplify things to the point where a bunch of options are available from no huddle based on a handful of foundational sets? I'm grasping at straws here trying to figure it out but if HS kids can run a variety of the offense we are said to be pursuing, certainly USF can?

 

Those shifts have been pissing me off since Day One. Gawd, I hope they're gone

 

Those shifts serve a purpose - they tell the QB what the defense is doing... makes it easier to tell if it's a zone or a man-to-man... and if the defense is committing to the run or pass.

 

Those shifts were not really a problem in 2014.  The few penalties that were called were because the coach took too long getting the plays in.

 

What we'll probably see is a "No huddle" like Jim Leavitt used to run... where the team lines up then looks over at the sideline for the play... then adjusts.  We did a bit of that from time to time this year, so it's not that much different.

 

We'll also see more multiple WR formations... instead of the two WR, two TE sets we ran a lot the past two seasons.

 

In a normal offense with a good QB it serves the purposes you listed. However, not for us the last 2 years. You can't sit here and say Mike White or whoever was our QB even had time to read the defense.

Actually, yeah I can. For the most part, the OL did a decent job of pass protection and our qb's had adequate time to do what they needed to do post snap. It was them, or the receivers', where the breakdown usually came in the passing game. The running game, IMO, is where the OL didn't execute on a consistent enough basis.

 

What in the world does our OLine doing a decent job in pass protection have to do with our QB having enough time to scan the defense before he snaps the ball to try and understand if they're in man coverage, zone coverage, if they're going to bring pressure etc which in turn would allow him to audible if he felt it was necessary to a run play, or a deep pass to a quick pass etc...?

... Nothing. I totally screwed that up.... BUT, I do think the problem wasn't near as bad as it was last year.

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The mental mistakes on offensive side of the ball by both coaches and players has to somewhat attributable to the complex, line shifting business of our scheme right? So now what if Kinnan and Willie simplify things to the point where a bunch of options are available from no huddle based on a handful of foundational sets? I'm grasping at straws here trying to figure it out but if HS kids can run a variety of the offense we are said to be pursuing, certainly USF can?

 

Those shifts have been pissing me off since Day One. Gawd, I hope they're gone

 

Those shifts serve a purpose - they tell the QB what the defense is doing... makes it easier to tell if it's a zone or a man-to-man... and if the defense is committing to the run or pass.

 

Those shifts were not really a problem in 2014.  The few penalties that were called were because the coach took too long getting the plays in.

 

What we'll probably see is a "No huddle" like Jim Leavitt used to run... where the team lines up then looks over at the sideline for the play... then adjusts.  We did a bit of that from time to time this year, so it's not that much different.

 

We'll also see more multiple WR formations... instead of the two WR, two TE sets we ran a lot the past two seasons.

 

In a normal offense with a good QB it serves the purposes you listed. However, not for us the last 2 years. You can't sit here and say Mike White or whoever was our QB even had time to read the defense.

Actually, yeah I can. For the most part, the OL did a decent job of pass protection and our qb's had adequate time to do what they needed to do post snap. It was them, or the receivers', where the breakdown usually came in the passing game. The running game, IMO, is where the OL didn't execute on a consistent enough basis.

 

What in the world does our OLine doing a decent job in pass protection have to do with our QB having enough time to scan the defense before he snaps the ball to try and understand if they're in man coverage, zone coverage, if they're going to bring pressure etc which in turn would allow him to audible if he felt it was necessary to a run play, or a deep pass to a quick pass etc...?

... Nothing. I totally screwed that up.... BUT, I do think the problem wasn't near as bad as it was last year.

 

 

Gotcha. You're right, it wasn't nearly as bad as last year. Thank goodness because another year of that stuff like in 2013 and I would've jumped off a cliff!

[BDYZR]

Not as bad as last year, but still bad.

[Hem]

I guess we will have to really wait and see what the O is going to look like. One thing is for sure, Coach T KNOWS it needs to change or he was TOLD it needs to change...which is good news. When do the first practice reports come in? March? April? I'll also be at the fields for sure when it's open practice, I've gotta know what we're running. 

 

Who called the plays from the spring game last year when we scored like 35 points? That was Reaves right? 

[Bullrush33]

I guess we will have to really wait and see what the O is going to look like. One thing is for sure, Coach T KNOWS it needs to change or he was TOLD it needs to change...which is good news. When do the first practice reports come in? March? April? I'll also be at the fields for sure when it's open practice, I've gotta know what we're running. 

 

Who called the plays from the spring game last year when we scored like 35 points? That was Reaves right? 

My grandma could score 35 points on that cushion defense.  I know Cosh gets bad rep around here but Skippy and Synder started and Willie continued the "Soft Cushion D"  We should call it the Charmin D, pillow top, or twinkie defense

[USFbulls24]

I guess we will have to really wait and see what the O is going to look like. One thing is for sure, Coach T KNOWS it needs to change or he was TOLD it needs to change...which is good news. When do the first practice reports come in? March? April? I'll also be at the fields for sure when it's open practice, I've gotta know what we're running. 

 

Who called the plays from the spring game last year when we scored like 35 points? That was Reaves right? 

 

I don't know for sure, but I thought I read somewhere it was Reaves.

[Hem]

 

I guess we will have to really wait and see what the O is going to look like. One thing is for sure, Coach T KNOWS it needs to change or he was TOLD it needs to change...which is good news. When do the first practice reports come in? March? April? I'll also be at the fields for sure when it's open practice, I've gotta know what we're running. 

 

Who called the plays from the spring game last year when we scored like 35 points? That was Reaves right? 

My grandma could score 35 points on that cushion defense.  I know Cosh gets bad rep around here but Skippy and Synder started and Willie continued the "Soft Cushion D"  We should call it the Charmin D, pillow top, or twinkie defense

 

-No, she couldn't.

 

-Cosh was a terrible coach

 

-We had a top 25 defense in 2013, how quickly many of you forget that

 

-In 2014 our defense sucked since we switched schemes

Our DC has been fired.

 

-Thanks for contributing nothing to this thread.

[Hem]

 

I guess we will have to really wait and see what the O is going to look like. One thing is for sure, Coach T KNOWS it needs to change or he was TOLD it needs to change...which is good news. When do the first practice reports come in? March? April? I'll also be at the fields for sure when it's open practice, I've gotta know what we're running. 

 

Who called the plays from the spring game last year when we scored like 35 points? That was Reaves right? 

 

I don't know for sure, but I thought I read somewhere it was Reaves.

 

I think it was too, seems like he knows the passing game pretty well...hoping to see some nice changes when practice heats up