Leavitt/Holtz/Taggart

[Bull Dozer]

How few? Pierre-Paul and Williams in the NFL with Super Bowl rings. Let's just talk about multi-year starters: Griffin, Webster, Barrington, Lattimore. Lamar was Big East Special Teams Player of the Year. Marc had 54 catches in his career. Jenkins and Sager are returning starters. Bass started for a year. Giddins still has a year left, same for Forte, Hopkins. Sure, there are a dozen guys out of 29 that didn't amount to much if they made it to campus at all. Not a bad class at all, or disappointing.

Also you can't judge the guys left behind. Leavitt recruited them with a purpose in mind, but Skippy tried to change everybody into HIS system and it cost him his job. Skippy even made the band look bad.

Hey, lay off the band. I think they were just trying to tune up their instrument.

[Sitting_BULL]

I'm not impressed with the job Holtz did while he was here. But I also saw younger players on the field outperforming the old guys that were supposed to be the core of the team. When two true freshmen pass a senior on the depth chart, that senior did not do his job.

Frankly, I think Holtz biggest issue was playing too many upperclassmen that either weren't very good or didn't care enough. If it were me, I'd have had the young guys out there much earlier in the season. I'd rather have guys giving all out effort and making mistakes but making some plays than guys either not giving effort or stinking up the joint. If the younger players were able to make plays, that tells me it wasn't all coaching.

Holtz and staff did a poor job this year, but they were left inferior talent by the previous staff. I do not believe that Matt Grothe got incredible coaching while he was here. What he got was sandlot plays that he was able to make work because he was a unique guy.

You started off okay, but individual cases where a psyched up underclassmen was inserted and showed some great energy making some plays doesn't support your cause that strongly. If nothing else it even goes back to coaching where Holtz wasn't able to bring out the strengths of upperclassmen (motivation) who had shown great potential and been given accolades as underclassmen. From their recruitment through their underclassmen years no one was questioning the talent of most of these individuals. If you were referring to our CB situation, that was a known talent issue. Are we talking about lack of actual talent/potential, or just how it was used? If it is how it was used, that again goes back to coaching and the ability to motivate/inspire someone to use their talent/potential.

The rest of the response was pretty general and went back into beliefs. I'm having a tough time with this because it goes against common rationale that lead to the firing of Holtz. BTW, I also do not believe Grothe got incredible coaching while he was here.

Agree. Plus, like I said, these players were recruited to play in a wide open, spread offense, scramble, get into the open field and use their speed & athleticism to make people miss. Skippy always reigned them in, trying to make everyone (including BJ) play inside the tackles, short drop back passing, etc. on defense, they were used to being aggressive, where Skippy made them play soft. Skippy was the opposite of a great coach who adapts his system for his players, but rather tried to adapt his players to his system. He started out with Leavitt's team and went 8-5, lost some of Leavitt's players and went 5-7, lost some more of Leavitt's players and went 3-9.... nuff said! Edited December 29, 2012 by Sitting_BULL

[Who'sYourData?]

I'm not impressed with the job Holtz did while he was here. But I also saw younger players on the field outperforming the old guys that were supposed to be the core of the team. When two true freshmen pass a senior on the depth chart, that senior did not do his job.

Frankly, I think Holtz biggest issue was playing too many upperclassmen that either weren't very good or didn't care enough. If it were me, I'd have had the young guys out there much earlier in the season. I'd rather have guys giving all out effort and making mistakes but making some plays than guys either not giving effort or stinking up the joint. If the younger players were able to make plays, that tells me it wasn't all coaching.

Holtz and staff did a poor job this year, but they were left inferior talent by the previous staff. I do not believe that Matt Grothe got incredible coaching while he was here. What he got was sandlot plays that he was able to make work because he was a unique guy.

You started off okay, but individual cases where a psyched up underclassmen was inserted and showed some great energy making some plays doesn't support your cause that strongly. If nothing else it even goes back to coaching where Holtz wasn't able to bring out the strengths of upperclassmen (motivation) who had shown great potential and been given accolades as underclassmen. From their recruitment through their underclassmen years no one was questioning the talent of most of these individuals. If you were referring to our CB situation, that was a known talent issue. Are we talking about lack of actual talent/potential, or just how it was used? If it is how it was used, that again goes back to coaching and the ability to motivate/inspire someone to use their talent/potential.

The rest of the response was pretty general and went back into beliefs. I'm having a tough time with this because it goes against common rationale that lead to the firing of Holtz. BTW, I also do not believe Grothe got incredible coaching while he was here.

Agree. Plus, like I said, these players were recruited to play in a wide open, spread offense, scramble, get into the open field and use their speed & athleticism to make people miss. Skippy always reigned them in, trying to make everyone (including BJ) play inside the tackles, short drop back passing, etc. on defense, they ere used to being aggressive, where Skippy made them play soft. Skippy was the opposite of a great coach who adapts his system for his players, but rather tried to adapt his players to his system. He started out 8-5, lost some of Leavitt's players and went 5-7, lost some of Leavitt's players and went 3-9.... nuff said!

Whatever makes you feel better.

[Sitting_BULL]

I do feel better! Actually, I won't feel better til we are in a good conference and playing competitively again.

Edited December 29, 2012 by Sitting_BULL

[BDYZR]

I do feel better! Actually, I won't feel better til we are in a good conference and playing competitively again.

100% Coaching.

[Hem]

I do feel better! Actually, I won't feel better til we are in a good conference and playing competitively again.

100% Coaching.

Example Number 1 this year: Ohio State and Coach Meyer.

[NCBull]

I do feel better! Actually, I won't feel better til we are in a good conference and playing competitively again.

100% Coaching.

Example Number 1 this year: Ohio State and Coach Meyer.

Perfect example.

[tony_stark]

Average Alex42 â€@alexburr42

@CoachTaggart Who you got tonight?

 

31m Willie Taggart â€@CoachTaggart

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[BiggTipp]

Average Alex42 â€@alexburr42

@CoachTaggart Who you got tonight?

31m Willie Taggart â€@CoachTaggart

@alexburr42 USF. We support No cause Foreign or Domestic other than winning a Big East Championship. Go Bulls! #ChasingGreatness

HE'LL YEA

[Triple B]

Average Alex42 â€@alexburr42

@CoachTaggart Who you got tonight?

 

31m Willie Taggart â€@CoachTaggart

@alexburr42 USF. We support No cause Foreign or Domestic other than winning a Big East Championship. Go Bulls! #ChasingGreatness

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LOL .... Very nice.