Leavitt/Holtz/Taggart

[Sitting_BULL]

leavitt-couldntlock down area talent.he had chance to be one ofthe best.egomanic;terrible special teams;good defense;offense was boring-couldntrecruit-lack of disciplin

holtz-couldnt recruit;defsne was terrrilbe-lack of discipline

taggert-unknown--he needs to recruit better than first two or he is doomed to fail

I'm always so amazed at how many complain that Leavitt didn't recruit well, etc? When you're a 7-9 year old program fresh out of trailers, how do you think a coach goes into a kids house who just got wooed by Ohio St, Alabama, etc, and talk him into changing his life's dreams and coming to little new kid on the block USF? The fact that he got who he did with what he had to work with was nothing short of amazing.

When you get up to #2 in the nation and some big wins, your recruiting should improve over prior years. It not only didn't improve, it appears it backslid. That is worthy of criticism.

Actually, on paper, it did improve in 2009 ... and then came the upheaval.

Yep we were #25 in the nation. Nowhere close since.

http://recruiting.sc...=9&c=14&yr=2009

Nice find!

[Who'sYourData?]

leavitt-couldntlock down area talent.he had chance to be one ofthe best.egomanic;terrible special teams;good defense;offense was boring-couldntrecruit-lack of disciplin

holtz-couldnt recruit;defsne was terrrilbe-lack of discipline

taggert-unknown--he needs to recruit better than first two or he is doomed to fail

I'm always so amazed at how many complain that Leavitt didn't recruit well, etc? When you're a 7-9 year old program fresh out of trailers, how do you think a coach goes into a kids house who just got wooed by Ohio St, Alabama, etc, and talk him into changing his life's dreams and coming to little new kid on the block USF? The fact that he got who he did with what he had to work with was nothing short of amazing.

When you get up to #2 in the nation and some big wins, your recruiting should improve over prior years. It not only didn't improve, it appears it backslid. That is worthy of criticism.

Actually, on paper, it did improve in 2009 ... and then came the upheaval.

On paper, turned into a disaster on the field.

Thanks to Holtz not Leavitt!

Go look at the names on that list. You'll see how few of them were unable to contribute anything at all. Pretty serious lack of talent in that class.

[Brad]

So either the old Rivals/Scout/Etc was wrong or it was wasted.

[Greg Auman]

How few? Pierre-Paul and Williams in the NFL with Super Bowl rings. Let's just talk about multi-year starters: Griffin, Webster, Barrington, Lattimore. Lamar was Big East Special Teams Player of the Year. Marc had 54 catches in his career. Jenkins and Sager are returning starters. Bass started for a year. Giddins still has a year left, same for Forte, Hopkins. Sure, there are a dozen guys out of 29 that didn't amount to much if they made it to campus at all. Not a bad class at all, or disappointing.

[Who'sYourData?]

How few? Pierre-Paul and Williams in the NFL with Super Bowl rings. Let's just talk about multi-year starters: Griffin, Webster, Barrington, Lattimore. Lamar was Big East Special Teams Player of the Year. Marc had 54 catches in his career. Jenkins and Sager are returning starters. Bass started for a year. Giddins still has a year left, same for Forte, Hopkins. Sure, there are a dozen guys out of 29 that didn't amount to much if they made it to campus at all. Not a bad class at all, or disappointing.

Out of 29 guys, you have six that were multi year starters. Not a bad class? I think you need to do better than that from a Top 25 class.

Edited December 29, 2012 by DataBull

[Who'sYourData?]

So either the old Rivals/Scout/Etc was wrong or it was wasted.

We know that the recruiting services are often wrong.

[Reliable Source]

So either the old Rivals/Scout/Etc was wrong or it was wasted.

We know that the recruiting services are often wrong.

Methinks to call the pay sites "recruiting services" is like calling the National Enquirer a newspaper.

[zarnozdabull]

leavitt-couldntlock down area talent.he had chance to be one ofthe best.egomanic;terrible special teams;good defense;offense was boring-couldntrecruit-lack of disciplin

holtz-couldnt recruit;defsne was terrrilbe-lack of discipline

taggert-unknown--he needs to recruit better than first two or he is doomed to fail

I'm always so amazed at how many complain that Leavitt didn't recruit well, etc? When you're a 7-9 year old program fresh out of trailers, how do you think a coach goes into a kids house who just got wooed by Ohio St, Alabama, etc, and talk him into changing his life's dreams and coming to little new kid on the block USF? The fact that he got who he did with what he had to work with was nothing short of amazing.

When you get up to #2 in the nation and some big wins, your recruiting should improve over prior years. It not only didn't improve, it appears it backslid. That is worthy of criticism.

Actually, on paper, it did improve in 2009 ... and then came the upheaval.

On paper, turned into a disaster on the field.

Thanks to Holtz not Leavitt!

Go look at the names on that list. You'll see how few of them were unable to contribute anything at all. Pretty serious lack of talent in that class.

Their lack of production goes down to the coaching.

[Who'sYourData?]

leavitt-couldntlock down area talent.he had chance to be one ofthe best.egomanic;terrible special teams;good defense;offense was boring-couldntrecruit-lack of disciplin

holtz-couldnt recruit;defsne was terrrilbe-lack of discipline

taggert-unknown--he needs to recruit better than first two or he is doomed to fail

I'm always so amazed at how many complain that Leavitt didn't recruit well, etc? When you're a 7-9 year old program fresh out of trailers, how do you think a coach goes into a kids house who just got wooed by Ohio St, Alabama, etc, and talk him into changing his life's dreams and coming to little new kid on the block USF? The fact that he got who he did with what he had to work with was nothing short of amazing.

When you get up to #2 in the nation and some big wins, your recruiting should improve over prior years. It not only didn't improve, it appears it backslid. That is worthy of criticism.

Actually, on paper, it did improve in 2009 ... and then came the upheaval.

On paper, turned into a disaster on the field.

Thanks to Holtz not Leavitt!

Go look at the names on that list. You'll see how few of them were unable to contribute anything at all. Pretty serious lack of talent in that class.

Their lack of production goes down to the coaching.

Let's blame the fiscal cliff on Holtz while we are at it. The majority of those players showed absolutely no reason to believe they could produce at this level. They have a responsibility to make themselves better players.

[CRBULL]

When you get up to #2 in the nation and some big wins, your recruiting should improve over prior years. It not only didn't improve, it appears it backslid. That is worthy of criticism.

On paper, turned into a disaster on the field.

Go look at the names on that list. You'll see how few of them were unable to contribute anything at all. Pretty serious lack of talent in that class.

Let's blame the fiscal cliff on Holtz while we are at it. The majority of those players showed absolutely no reason to believe they could produce at this level. They have a responsibility to make themselves better players.

If you take a look at our classes from 2005 to 2009, scratching out nonquals & nonperformers, there is a very clear improvement trend that topped at 2009 - a result of our success and getting to #2 (far better than a Cinci team that ruled the Big East for a couple years I might add). It's clear it is the coach. In nearly every single case where you have a program that is able to recruit well relative to their competition and needs to relieve a coach due to poor performance, they have had the talent required and could not develop it into a solid team.

If it truly was the players, and we are about to be rid of them all after this coming year, Holtz deserved more time to get other players in. I have no regrets in relieving Holtz as I have no doubt that is not the case.