USF men’s hoops adds transfer Martino Brock

[Bull94]

shouldn't we have players transferring OUT to South Alabama and not IN from there?

yikes this will be his 5th year. I thought we would be past this by now.

[The Great 8]

whoopie...

[Bullpride08]

shouldn't we have players transferring OUT to South Alabama and not IN from there?

yikes this will be his 5th year. I thought we would be past this by now.

Bingo hand this man a prize.  This kid the past two years shot like 28% against quality competition.  He's only shot 30% from three point range on his career.  He has a greater turnover to assist range, and despite getting to the line a lot as a slasher he's a career 60% free throw shooter.

This is the Big East boys, a slasher is going to struggle in the BE if they can't shoot great from the outside, and/or if they're not a physical freak.  Do you all think Mr. Brock is freaky enough to break-down the Cuse 2-3 zone?  He's going to blow by all their 4 and 5 star studs on the wings and guard and go right at the 5 star centers with authority?  Really?  Brock was pretty good against Sunbelt competition, but he is no match for what he is about to see in the BE.

This move makes no sense for a kid having to sit out a year.  He might have made a small amount of sense if Brock was able to be immediately eligible this season to give us a guard ready to go, but a two year guy, ill-equipped for this league, that we can't use until the following season? ??? 

The quick fixes have to stop.  Someone needs to finally realize we can't quick fix our way to the NCAA Tourney through the gauntlet that is the Big East.  It will only come from a slow and steady build the right way.  We need someone willing and capable of doing that.

[bulls phanatic]

We need better recruiters on our staff. If we were only able to recruit high school kids better we would not be bringing a guy in for a year.

[Bruce Blingstein]

we need a new coach. 

i know I said this before but just 3 years ago St. Johns was in the same place we were/are (for different reasons).  We would ook at our schedule and try to figure out how we would get maybe 5 conference wins and St Johns would be a maybe.  Now they are a no chance.  Now they have the TOP 3 recruiting class coming in and on the verge of being an NCAA powerhouse. 

How did they do it?

hired Steve Lavin. 

Get a new coach already, its not rocket science. 

ps Lavin made the NCAA tourney last year with the same players St Johns prior coach couldnt do anything with.  Though recruiting is HUGE, its also about x's and o's and having the respect of your players.  This is a case and point. of hwo to do it.  USF is case and point of what not to do. But we all love DW.  :

[gobulls83]

we need a new coach. 

i know I said this before but just 3 years ago St. Johns was in the same place we were/are (for different reasons).  We would ook at our schedule and try to figure out how we would get maybe 5 conference wins and St Johns would be a maybe.  Now they are a no chance.  Now they have the TOP 3 recruiting class coming in and on the verge of being an NCAA powerhouse. 

How did they do it?

hired Steve Lavin. 

Get a new coach already, its not rocket science. 

ps Lavin made the NCAA tourney last year with the same players St Johns prior coach couldnt do anything with.  Though recruiting is HUGE, its also about x's and o's and having the respect of your players.  This is a case and point. of hwo to do it.  USF is case and point of what not to do. But we all love DW.   :

First of all, St. John's has had one 21-win season. USF won 20 games in a season just one year ago. I think it's pretty stupid premature to declare St. John's to be an "NCAA powerhouse."

But much more importantly, according to <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/taken_by_storm_c3uQr4kfVUkd2rbYjGFp3H">this story from the New York Post</a> at the time of Lavin's hiring, he is making between $1.6 and $1.8 million per year. Stan Heath makes half that. If you're going to donate the difference to get a better coach in here, I'm sure Doug Woolard would be all ears. In the meantime, just throwing random names out there regardless of reality isn't really all that helpful. Heath is an excellent coach, better still when you consider the amount of money he works for. There's no coach in the country that could come to Tampa and win consistently immediately, and even fewer coaches than that who could do it for $900,000 a year.

[Triple B]

we need a new coach .... 

Get a new coach already, its not rocket science. 

Same thing when Seth was here ... when Mac was here ... and now Stan ... You're right, it's not rocket science, but it's also not as simplistic as you seem to think it is. Stan may or may not be the answer but he's getting, at least, two more years bar something catastrophic  ... but please, carry on anyway.

[Markeymark]

3 years ago St. Johns was in the same place we were/are (for different reasons).  We would ook at our schedule and try to figure out how we would get maybe 5 conference wins and St Johns would be a maybe.  Now they are a no chance.  Now they have the TOP 3 recruiting class coming in and on the verge of being an NCAA powerhouse.

USF is not St Johns, a school with 27 NCAA tournament appearances, who has sent 59 players to the NBA, play their home games in MSG in the heart of NYC, the list goes on. They are way more of an established program with a lot of tradition, and it's not hard for programs like that to be resurrected after falling on hard times.

[Bruce Blingstein]

we need a new coach. 

i know I said this before but just 3 years ago St. Johns was in the same place we were/are (for different reasons).  We would ook at our schedule and try to figure out how we would get maybe 5 conference wins and St Johns would be a maybe.  Now they are a no chance.  Now they have the TOP 3 recruiting class coming in and on the verge of being an NCAA powerhouse. 

How did they do it?

hired Steve Lavin. 

Get a new coach already, its not rocket science. 

ps Lavin made the NCAA tourney last year with the same players St Johns prior coach couldnt do anything with.  Though recruiting is HUGE, its also about x's and o's and having the respect of your players.  This is a case and point. of hwo to do it.  USF is case and point of what not to do. But we all love DW.   :

First of all, St. John's has had one 21-win season. USF won 20 games in a season just one year ago. I think it's pretty stupid premature to declare St. John's to be an "NCAA powerhouse."

But much more importantly, according to <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/taken_by_storm_c3uQr4kfVUkd2rbYjGFp3H">this story from the New York Post</a> at the time of Lavin's hiring, he is making between $1.6 and $1.8 million per year. Stan Heath makes half that. If you're going to donate the difference to get a better coach in here, I'm sure Doug Woolard would be all ears. In the meantime, just throwing random names out there regardless of reality isn't really all that helpful. Heath is an excellent coach, better still when you consider the amount of money he works for. There's no coach in the country that could come to Tampa and win consistently immediately, and even fewer coaches than that who could do it for $900,000 a year.

Hawaii and Trip make  much better arguments of why it wouldnt be so easy for USF, yours is off.  Im glad USF had a 20 games winning season.  Everyone, including their fans, know they are going no where, so why does that matter?

Lavin beat Duke and Pitt with the same players the coach before him had.  Now he has the top 3 recruiting class coming in.  I dont think Im being premature, I think I have the same mind frame as the rest of the basketball world.  Minus your hating USF mind.   

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2011

all high school recruits but one.  We are getting transfers from USA> 

another team that is making strides as we go backwards.  If we dont want to pay for a coach to be in the top bball conference why did we join?  TO dominate in football?  Hows that working out?  WE love DW. 

[Bullpride08]

we need a new coach .... 

Get a new coach already, its not rocket science. 

Same thing when Seth was here ... when Mac was here ... and now Stan ... You're right, it's not rocket science, but it's also not as simplistic as you seem to think it is. Stan may or may not be the answer but he's getting, at least, two more years bar something catastrophic  ... but please, carry on anyway.

Two years.  Really? ;D  I've marked you down for this one but you're living on an island man.  He's going to battle it out to survive this one.  He needs significant improvement over the last, and to put more butts in seats to have a shot.  Once USF gets the good word on the new television contract, if the program has shown no improvement...he will not get a sixth.  Such an opportunity is unheard of for such pathetic performance for a HC.

And change is good when things are not good.  You don't act like Eeyore, and say 'oh well the sky is falling and there is nothing I can do about'...no you don't accept mediocrity and you change until you find a combination that works. Sometimes it takes a while but if you have a vision you will find what you're looking for....you won't just sitting on your hands and accepting awful.  We won't be doing that much longer having to service $30M debt for SunDome improvements, and with a gigantic television contract coming soon.  Doug knows we'll need to put more butts in stands, and will have dollars for a buyout. 

So carry-on triple, and we'll keep an eye on your good word.