Teddy Bridgewater- QB- Miami Northwestern.

[deters-]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

 

I bet Holtz and co. could figure out a way to use what could possibly the highest rated USF recruit ever.  Especially considering our extremely limited options at QB.

they didn't really figure out how to use the rivals #8 rated dual threat from 3 years ago(BJ Daniels) so i'm not sure the #2 rated this year is any better suited to their offense.

Ideally you want a dual threat QB because they are so dangerous when on the field. Holtz always had big mobile QB's with a pocket presence. If BJ was bigger and could stand in the pocket and deliver with accuracy while still being able to run like he does then we would be set at QB, but he can't so gotta find a QB who does both.

[Bull94]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

Contrary to what some people are trying to peddle here Holtz's offense is and always was while at ECU a mulit set offense and he's always had QB's who can be mobile and some things with their legs too.  Holtz/fitch offense does a lot of things formation wise and getting in the shot gun and spreading you out is a big part of that.  They run a bit of a hybrid offense that can operate out of a I or two tight set or spread you out with 4wr and run a little option and things like that at you depending on the game plan that week.  Every time i saw ECU play while he was there they were never completely a pro style offense  and were never scared to use the spread style formation and play calling when it suited their game plan.  

QB's have never been a primary running threat in Holtz's system at ECU.

BJ Daniels was a highly rated dual threat. He was much better suited for Leavitt's spread system than he has been for Holtz's system.

Look at the numbers. it's not even close.

he went from being the #31 rated passer with 772 yards rushing and 9 rushing TDs to #91 rated passer with 87 yards rushing and 4 TDs

Holtz's system is better suited to a drop back passer and not a dual threat.

[Bull94]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

 

I bet Holtz and co. could figure out a way to use what could possibly the highest rated USF recruit ever.  Especially considering our extremely limited options at QB.

they didn't really figure out how to use the rivals #8 rated dual threat from 3 years ago(BJ Daniels) so i'm not sure the #2 rated this year is any better suited to their offense.

How can you say that?  If the play from QB was better the year could have been a lot more successful.  Not like the coaches couldn't figure out how to use him.  This is revisionist history. 

revisionist history??

dual threat QBs aren't suited for Holtz's system. why would this dual threat be any different? why do you think we had the big carnes fiasco last year? holtz doesn't like that type of QB.

[Bull94]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

 

I bet Holtz and co. could figure out a way to use what could possibly the highest rated USF recruit ever.  Especially considering our extremely limited options at QB.

they didn't really figure out how to use the rivals #8 rated dual threat from 3 years ago(BJ Daniels) so i'm not sure the #2 rated this year is any better suited to their offense.

Ideally you want a dual threat QB because they are so dangerous when on the field. Holtz always had big mobile QB's with a pocket presence. If BJ was bigger and could stand in the pocket and deliver with accuracy while still being able to run like he does then we would be set at QB, but he can't so gotta find a QB who does both.

Pickney averaged less than 4 carries per game his last year with Holtz.

He averaged a total of 5.8 yards rushing per game.

that's not a dual threat. that's a QB that runs a few times on broken pass plays.

this kids game isn't suited for Holtz's offense. just like carnes last year.

[Bull Martin]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

 

I bet Holtz and co. could figure out a way to use what could possibly the highest rated USF recruit ever.  Especially considering our extremely limited options at QB.

they didn't really figure out how to use the rivals #8 rated dual threat from 3 years ago(BJ Daniels) so i'm not sure the #2 rated this year is any better suited to their offense.

Ideally you want a dual threat QB because they are so dangerous when on the field. Holtz always had big mobile QB's with a pocket presence. If BJ was bigger and could stand in the pocket and deliver with accuracy while still being able to run like he does then we would be set at QB, but he can't so gotta find a QB who does both.

Pickney averaged less than 4 carries per game his last year with Holtz.

He averaged a total of 5.8 yards rushing per game.

that's not a dual threat. that's a QB that runs a few times on broken pass plays.

this kids game isn't suited for Holtz's offense. just like carnes last year.

If Holtz would want nothing to do with him then why are they recruiting the hell out of him and bringing him in for an official visit?

[Bull Dozer]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

Contrary to what some people are trying to peddle here Holtz's offense is and always was while at ECU a mulit set offense and he's always had QB's who can be mobile and some things with their legs too.  Holtz/fitch offense does a lot of things formation wise and getting in the shot gun and spreading you out is a big part of that.  They run a bit of a hybrid offense that can operate out of a I or two tight set or spread you out with 4wr and run a little option and things like that at you depending on the game plan that week.  Every time i saw ECU play while he was there they were never completely a pro style offense  and were never scared to use the spread style formation and play calling when it suited their game plan.  

QB's have never been a primary running threat in Holtz's system at ECU.

BJ Daniels was a highly rated dual threat. He was much better suited for Leavitt's spread system than he has been for Holtz's system.

Look at the numbers. it's not even close.

he went from being the #31 rated passer with 772 yards rushing and 9 rushing TDs to #91 rated passer with 87 yards rushing and 4 TDs

Holtz's system is better suited to a drop back passer and not a dual threat.

The QB numbers are fine and dandy but peddling Holtz's offense as a "pro style offense" is still false.  It's a multi set offense not a pro style offense like USC, Miami, Alabama, etc.  The QB is not a primary running option but it is used when the game plan calls for it.  Other than last season Skips offenses at ECU have had the QB's have at least 79 rushing attempts a year and over a hundred in a season as well.  Compared to a true pro style offense like the one ran at say USC where Barkley only had 45 rushing attempts this past season.  Skip will take advantage of a mobile QB when he has one a pure drop back passer is not needed to run this offense and it's definitely not and has never been a pro style offense.

[The Great 8]

This kid isn't a dual threat in the same mold as BJ and Grothe; that is, legs first, arm second. He is more of a dual threat in the Eugene Smith of WVU. That is, ability to run, but accurate passer first.

[Bull Dozer]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

 

I bet Holtz and co. could figure out a way to use what could possibly the highest rated USF recruit ever.  Especially considering our extremely limited options at QB.

they didn't really figure out how to use the rivals #8 rated dual threat from 3 years ago(BJ Daniels) so i'm not sure the #2 rated this year is any better suited to their offense.

Ideally you want a dual threat QB because they are so dangerous when on the field. Holtz always had big mobile QB's with a pocket presence. If BJ was bigger and could stand in the pocket and deliver with accuracy while still being able to run like he does then we would be set at QB, but he can't so gotta find a QB who does both.

Pickney averaged less than 4 carries per game his last year with Holtz.

He averaged a total of 5.8 yards rushing per game.

that's not a dual threat. that's a QB that runs a few times on broken pass plays.

this kids game isn't suited for Holtz's offense. just like carnes last year.

Go back beyond just last year and his carries per game are almost double.  1 year does not cancel out an entire body of work. 

QB carries by the starter while holtz was at WVU

05-95

06-105

07-79

08-90

09-48

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things does not belong.....Again its not a spread option like we used to run but it does involve the QB running and some spread principals and multiple formations. 

[deters-]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

 

I bet Holtz and co. could figure out a way to use what could possibly the highest rated USF recruit ever.  Especially considering our extremely limited options at QB.

they didn't really figure out how to use the rivals #8 rated dual threat from 3 years ago(BJ Daniels) so i'm not sure the #2 rated this year is any better suited to their offense.

Ideally you want a dual threat QB because they are so dangerous when on the field. Holtz always had big mobile QB's with a pocket presence. If BJ was bigger and could stand in the pocket and deliver with accuracy while still being able to run like he does then we would be set at QB, but he can't so gotta find a QB who does both.

Pickney averaged less than 4 carries per game his last year with Holtz.

He averaged a total of 5.8 yards rushing per game.

that's not a dual threat. that's a QB that runs a few times on broken pass plays.

this kids game isn't suited for Holtz's offense. just like carnes last year.

Dual Threat doesn't mean you have to run all the time and because they don't doesn't mean they don't fit Holtz system! It's the threat of the athleticism the QB posses to take off whenever he needs to and gash the defense is what were talking about.

Everyone in the country knows Daniels can take off running gaining huge yards and even though he didn't do it much this year teams still have to game plan for it! Thats the point of a dual threat QB.

Holtz wants a dual threat QB, but also wants them to have the skills to stand in the pocket and deliver like a pro set QB. Bridgewater has this!

[Bull94]

does he fit Holtz's offense? he's listed as a dual threat. I thought Holtz was trying to get away from that. doesn't seem like his offense would fit this kid's strength.

 

I bet Holtz and co. could figure out a way to use what could possibly the highest rated USF recruit ever.  Especially considering our extremely limited options at QB.

they didn't really figure out how to use the rivals #8 rated dual threat from 3 years ago(BJ Daniels) so i'm not sure the #2 rated this year is any better suited to their offense.

Ideally you want a dual threat QB because they are so dangerous when on the field. Holtz always had big mobile QB's with a pocket presence. If BJ was bigger and could stand in the pocket and deliver with accuracy while still being able to run like he does then we would be set at QB, but he can't so gotta find a QB who does both.

Pickney averaged less than 4 carries per game his last year with Holtz.

He averaged a total of 5.8 yards rushing per game.

that's not a dual threat. that's a QB that runs a few times on broken pass plays.

this kids game isn't suited for Holtz's offense. just like carnes last year.

If Holtz would want nothing to do with him then why are they recruiting the hell out of him and bringing him in for an official visit?

I didn't say anything about Holtz not wanting him. I said he doesn't seem to fit Holtz's system.

It's quite possible they want him to play another position. or they will tell him they will give him a shot at Qb to get him to sign.

Holtz doesn't run a spread suited for a running threat at QB. go back and look at ECU's numbers.

Pickney averaged rushing per game

2009   5.8 yards

2008   3.6 yards

2007   23.5 yards

Those are per game averages not per attempt. that's not a dual threat.