On Canales and Grothe's INT....

[Orlando Bull]

Others picked up on it.  Canales is taking the heat in public but betcha he's chastising Grothe privately about not picking up on the LB.

To me, that goes back to the short field. If Grothe goes through every defender and where they are, the route is over before he throws and he is stuck with the ball. It was a bad throw, not a good play call, and all around ugly. Some of the blame has to go to Chico though, and he knows it. That is a play, where if you run it in that short of a field, you have to blindly assume that the LB bit on the fake, if he doesn't, you look stupid.

It's similar to when a receiver runs the wrong route and QB throws directly to a safety, QB SHOULD read it, but it is easy to miss that read also.

That was the safety that intercepted it. 

Are you saying it was a one man route? Matt had someone wide open to his right flat.  That person could have walked into the end zone

I am in 125, on Grothe's left, and I am 90% sure there was no one over there, so if there was someone on his right, then it was a 2-man route. Either way, too short of a field to run that play IMHO. I completely agree with you, Matt shouldn't have thrown it. The point is, BJ has not won a game for us, he hasn't gone to Auburn and beaten them. MG is our QB, he has had a hell of a career, and our "fans" seem to be really looking for a reason to criticize him.

Yeah, it was a bad throw, so what, move on.

Also, try to think about the whole play, call and everything, and maybe, just maybe, someone else has a little part of the blame. Maybe the coach that openly took the blame??

You guys will jump all over MG for making a mistake, but obviously if the coach comes out and takes the blame, he must be covering for MG.

Again, 19-23. Drop by Mitchell, bad snap led to an incompletion, maybe made 2-3 bad throws all night after 9 months of not playing in a game. By all means, let's focus on the 2-3 bad throws.  :

[Guest]

Others picked up on it.  Canales is taking the heat in public but betcha he's chastising Grothe privately about not picking up on the LB.

To me, that goes back to the short field. If Grothe goes through every defender and where they are, the route is over before he throws and he is stuck with the ball. It was a bad throw, not a good play call, and all around ugly. Some of the blame has to go to Chico though, and he knows it. That is a play, where if you run it in that short of a field, you have to blindly assume that the LB bit on the fake, if he doesn't, you look stupid.

It's similar to when a receiver runs the wrong route and QB throws directly to a safety, QB SHOULD read it, but it is easy to miss that read also.

That was the safety that intercepted it. 

Are you saying it was a one man route? Matt had someone wide open to his right flat.  That person could have walked into the end zone

Del you are right... The pass was intercepted by Tommy Irvin - Safety for Wofford.

But you have to realize a DESIGNED slant pass with no pressure does not mean the QB should look around first... It was a bit bang-bang and Grothe just didn't see the safety sitting there.  Happens to every QB... although most of the time the offensive coordinator is not calling for that kind of play on 2nd and goal from the 2.

Grothe didn't have time to look for a wide open receiver in the flat ... and he didn't see the safety anyway.

[Bull Dozer]

Others picked up on it.  Canales is taking the heat in public but betcha he's chastising Grothe privately about not picking up on the LB.

To me, that goes back to the short field. If Grothe goes through every defender and where they are, the route is over before he throws and he is stuck with the ball. It was a bad throw, not a good play call, and all around ugly. Some of the blame has to go to Chico though, and he knows it. That is a play, where if you run it in that short of a field, you have to blindly assume that the LB bit on the fake, if he doesn't, you look stupid.

It's similar to when a receiver runs the wrong route and QB throws directly to a safety, QB SHOULD read it, but it is easy to miss that read also.

That was the safety that intercepted it. 

Are you saying it was a one man route? Matt had someone wide open to his right flat.  That person could have walked into the end zone

Del you are right... The pass was intercepted by Tommy Irvin - Safety for Wofford.

But you have to realize a DESIGNED slant pass with no pressure does not mean the QB should look around first... It was a bit bang-bang and Grothe just didn't see the safety sitting there.  Happens to every QB... although most of the time the offensive coordinator is not calling for that kind of play on 2nd and goal from the 2.

Grothe didn't have time to look for a wide open receiver in the flat ... and he didn't see the safety anyway.

QB's always need to see the safety's as a matter of fact moving a safety with your eyes/head is a critical skill for a QB.  Unless that was a one route play there is no excuse for not seeing the safety IMO.  If its a one route play you gotta throw that bad boy out the back of the end zone.  In the end it was a bad play call (gotta pound the rock there against an over matched opponent) and a bad read by Matt not locating the safety.  It was one of the few negatives from a game in which Matt and Coach C did a lot of very positive things. 

[Bull Dozer]

Even with a short field you have to read the defense or else you end up throwing the ball right into the chest of defenders just like that play turned out.  If he reads the defense before letting that one go he can either throw it out of the back of the end zone, to another reciever, or try to tuck it and run it in.  You never just blindly throw a pass without looking, never, that's just asking to get the result we got on that play. 

[beastiebull]

Sorry but a senior QB should not be throwing an int on the 2 vs WOFFORD.  I don't care if the Pope called the play and wants to take the blame.  That's just par for the course with MG though.  BJ is so much better and it's obvious when you watch them play consecutive series.  If you can't see it then you don't know talent. 

[DELdaBull]

Beastie, I'm not saying that BJ is better than Matt. Just that Matt cannot make that throw. Pitch it to the flat, or throw it out the endzone. He has not advanced his football mentality in his time here

[Guest]

Beastie, I'm not saying that BJ is better than Matt. Just that Matt cannot make that throw. Pitch it to the flat, or throw it out the endzone. He has not advanced his football mentality in his time here

Tim Tebow could not make that throw... Colt McCoy could not make that throw... Joe Montana could not make that throw... Dan Marino could not make that throw..

But the play was CALLED to throw it there.

What you are REALLY saying is that OC Canales should have called a different play.  Not that Matt could not make the play that was called.

It has NOTHING to do with Matt's ability.  He runs the play that was called.

[snarling Bull]

Beastie, I'm not saying that BJ is better than Matt. Just that Matt cannot make that throw. Pitch it to the flat, or throw it out the endzone. He has not advanced his football mentality in his time here

Tim Tebow could not make that throw... Colt McCoy could not make that throw... Joe Montana could not make that throw... Dan Marino could not make that throw..

But the play was CALLED to throw it there.

What you are REALLY saying is that OC Canales should have called a different play.  Not that Matt could not make the play that was called.

It has NOTHING to do with Matt's ability.  He runs the play that was called.

Exactly

[TRUTH D. Antagonist]

Sorry but a senior QB should not be throwing an int on the 2 vs WOFFORD.  I don't care if the Pope called the play and wants to take the blame.  That's just par for the course with MG though.  BJ is so much better and it's obvious when you watch them play consecutive series.  If you can't see it then you don't know talent. 

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[TRUTH D. Antagonist]

Tim Tebow could not make that throw... Colt McCoy could not make that throw... Joe Montana could not make that throw... Dan Marino could not make that throw..

But the play was CALLED to throw it there.

What you are REALLY saying is that OC Canales should have called a different play.  Not that Matt could not make the play that was called.

It has NOTHING to do with Matt's ability.  He runs the play that was called.

then don't make the throw.

lay down and eat the f***ing football and preserve the opportunity for another shot at the endzone or at least a field goal. throwing the ball into the defender's numbers for an INT is NOT acceptable, regardless of who called the play or who is making that throw.

the OC can only CALL the play.  it is up to the personnel on the field--- PARTICULARLY the Quarterback--- to read, recognize and adjust to the defense once the ball is snapped.  period.

this same old "don't blame Grothe, it's Gregory/Chico/the receiver's/the OLine's/Baby Jesus' fault" is the same G***** cop out horse **** we've been hearing for 3 years, and during those three years this team has actually REGRESSED in ranking and national prestige. 

it's time for leadership on the field, and as a senior that means Matt can't live off the excuses of kool-aid drinking fans anymore.

BOTTOM LINE: regardless of who calls the plays, the ball is in Grothe's hands on the field and he needs to make better decisions than the one he made on that INT.

not all options on a play are going to be appealing or successful, but some are less bad than others... if the play was called to throw the ball to that spot, but that spot isn't opened, DON'T THROW THE FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111  taking a sack and kicking the field goal is better than an INT.