BDYZR Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 486 Content Count: 12,455 Reputation: 2,840 Days Won: 25 Joined: 12/14/2005 Share Posted December 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, gibbsak said: 2. Agree; love it. He's "fascinated" previously we've not been able to make it work here. He keeps talking about laying the foundation. Would love to hear the shift when he feels the foundation is there and ready to build beyond it. I’m sure he’ll say the foundation is laid after we get there, whenever that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUpperHand Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 44 Content Count: 2,034 Reputation: 1,409 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/29/2007 Share Posted December 9, 2023 11 hours ago, gibbsak said: 2. Agree; love it. He's "fascinated" previously we've not been able to make it work here. Horrified is more like it. Leading up to this season, we are 66-91 in the years since Leavitt left. Four coaches and only left the program in better shape than he found it. Still no championship in an increasingly watered down and irrelevant conference. I hope Golesh leads us to dominate this conference and take us back where we belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,013 Reputation: 4,544 Days Won: 38 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, TheUpperHand said: Horrified is more like it. I like this about him. He is offended on our behalf. Also an indictment of the previous 2 coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulls On Parade Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 10,199 Reputation: 1,714 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/02/2005 Share Posted December 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, TheUpperHand said: Horrified is more like it. Leading up to this season, we are 66-91 in the years since Leavitt left. Four coaches and only left the program in better shape than he found it. Still no championship in an increasingly watered down and irrelevant conference. I hope Golesh leads us to dominate this conference and take us back where we belong. Number one area that UCF passed us by is they hired better coaches and never lost momentum between them like we did. Absolutely have to consistently hire great coaches and let them do what they need to do to win Here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,612 Content Count: 74,539 Reputation: 10,818 Days Won: 423 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted December 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bulls On Parade said: Number one area that UCF passed us by is they hired better coaches and never lost momentum between them like we did. That's really the bottom line to our saga ..... but to me, a little better way to put that would be that they hired coaches who worked out better there. I have a difficult time calling Frosty a better coach than Skip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Admin Topic Count: 13,332 Content Count: 97,003 Reputation: 10,809 Days Won: 469 Joined: 05/19/2000 Author Share Posted December 9, 2023 And if they had the experience and knowledge to hire consecutive good coaches, then they probably had the knowledge and experience to do other things to build a program, whereas we have basically had novices at the helm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUpperHand Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 44 Content Count: 2,034 Reputation: 1,409 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/29/2007 Share Posted December 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, Triple B said: That's really the bottom line to our saga ..... but to me, a little better way to put that would be that they hired coaches who worked out better there. I have a difficult time calling Frosty a better coach than Skip. It’s hard to argue he’s a bad coach — just couldn’t get it done at a higher level. He took UConn to the FCS playoffs, won 2 CUSA titles at ECU, went to the championship game 3 times at Louisiana Tech, and won the USFL title in back-to-back seasons. The only place he didn’t do well is here. Meanwhile Frost had one winning season out of the 7 he was a head coach. Granted it was 13-0 so that goes a long way. Might have just been that O’Learys upper-classmen came together at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,612 Content Count: 74,539 Reputation: 10,818 Days Won: 423 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Brad said: And if they had the experience and knowledge to hire consecutive good coaches, then they probably had the knowledge and experience to do other things to build a program, whereas we have basically had novices at the helm? We hired 2 good coaches consecutively in Skip and Willie but couldn't "cash" in on it, so maybe hiring 3 in a row is the indicator of better program builders ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,612 Content Count: 74,539 Reputation: 10,818 Days Won: 423 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted December 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, TheUpperHand said: It’s hard to argue he’s a bad coach — just couldn’t get it done at a higher level. He took UConn to the FCS playoffs, won 2 CUSA titles at ECU, went to the championship game 3 times at Louisiana Tech, and won the USFL title in back-to-back seasons. The only place he didn’t do well is here. Which is probably an indicator of the support, or lack of, that Brad was alluding to .... Quote Meanwhile Frost had one winning season out of the 7 he was a head coach. Granted it was 13-0 so that goes a long way. Might have just been that O’Learys upper-classmen came together at the right time. Probably that along with pulling MM in from Hawaii .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulls On Parade Posted December 9, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 10,199 Reputation: 1,714 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/02/2005 Share Posted December 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, Triple B said: That's really the bottom line to our saga ..... but to me, a little better way to put that would be that they hired coaches who worked out better there. I have a difficult time calling Frosty a better coach than Skip. True...I don't think Skip was a bad hire he did well everywhere else but Here. That academic committee screwed up his recruiting and then I think he zoned out the last year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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