mj796 Posted November 9, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 19 Content Count: 487 Reputation: 237 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/17/2016 Share Posted November 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, OcalaBull2 said: The lips quote is what I’m referring to. While it might not seem like a big deal to some, it’s completely unnecessary along with his other comments that were misogynistic and homophobic. Again, this is not a racist remark. Do some research instead of dragging the man's character through the mud. I very much oppose him as the choice for headcoach...there are many other factually accurate reasons why. Please stop feeding this misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.T. Posted November 9, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 4,751 Content Count: 37,676 Reputation: 2,367 Days Won: 29 Joined: 12/24/2001 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Gruden was spewing insults . . . socially unacceptable? Yes . . . The other statements I saw are crass and again, socially unacceptable. I find some language unacceptable, but it's spoken every day by people on the street and on regular TV. And these are personal conversations, right? He's a longshot, but I would welcome him. Go BULLS !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 9, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, mj796 said: Again, this is not a racist remark. Do some research instead of dragging the man's character through the mud. I very much oppose him as the choice for headcoach...there are many other factually accurate reasons why. Please stop feeding this misinformation. "instead of dragging the man's character through the mud." my dude, what? Take away that one remark I was talking about. So you can excuse the other things? You're going to have parents that don't want their kids playing for him because of this. It's really not any more complex than that, and if you can't see it I'm not really sure how else to tell you. We can make a better, less controversial hire. I'm not even sure why it's a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 9, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, E.T. said: Gruden was spewing insults . . . socially unacceptable? Yes . . . The other statements I saw are crass and again, socially unacceptable. I find some language unacceptable, but it's spoken every day by people on the street and on regular TV. And these are personal conversations, right? He's a longshot, but I would welcome him. Go BULLS !!! This is a reasonable take. But it's not as easy as telling a parent of a recruit "well, it's just some of the same language you hear every day." Whether some on here agree or not, it would be a PR nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.T. Posted November 9, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 4,751 Content Count: 37,676 Reputation: 2,367 Days Won: 29 Joined: 12/24/2001 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, OcalaBull2 said: "instead of dragging the man's character through the mud." my dude, what? Take away that one remark I was talking about. So you can excuse the other things? You're going to have parents that don't want their kids playing for him because of this. It's really not any more complex than that, and if you can't see it I'm not really sure how else to tell you. We can make a better, less controversial hire. I'm not even sure why it's a debate. Have you heard the music many of these kids listen to? Very offensive . . . to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 9, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, E.T. said: Have you heard the music many of these kids listen to? Very offensive . . . to some. Some of it is indeed very offensive but that's not really comparable to this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Nut Posted November 9, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 1,327 Reputation: 597 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/19/2018 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, OcalaBull2 said: "instead of dragging the man's character through the mud." my dude, what? Take away that one remark I was talking about. So you can excuse the other things? You're going to have parents that don't want their kids playing for him because of this. It's really not any more complex than that, and if you can't see it I'm not really sure how else to tell you. We can make a better, less controversial hire. I'm not even sure why it's a debate. Flip side to that argument is I'm sure there are plenty of parents that would be more than thrilled for their kid to be recruited by coach Gruden Edited November 9, 2022 by Bull Nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.T. Posted November 9, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 4,751 Content Count: 37,676 Reputation: 2,367 Days Won: 29 Joined: 12/24/2001 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, OcalaBull2 said: Some of it is indeed very offensive but that's not really comparable to this situation. Correct, we are talking about Gruden's personal emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 9, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, mj796 said: Again, this is not a racist remark. Do some research instead of dragging the man's character through the mud. I very much oppose him as the choice for headcoach...there are many other factually accurate reasons why. Please stop feeding this misinformation. Also, not really sure why I need to go deep into trying to analyze a white man saying a black man has lips the size of michellin tires. It's a terrible comment and more than unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grateful Dad Posted November 9, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 110 Content Count: 5,410 Reputation: 1,335 Days Won: 10 Joined: 09/18/2005 Share Posted November 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, OcalaBull2 said: "instead of dragging the man's character through the mud." my dude, what? Take away that one remark I was talking about. So you can excuse the other things? You're going to have parents that don't want their kids playing for him because of this. It's really not any more complex than that, and if you can't see it I'm not really sure how else to tell you. We can make a better, less controversial hire. I'm not even sure why it's a debate. My kid wouldn't play for him in college. I wouldn't allow it. I was a track and XC guy in high school and my coach was the most influential man in my life other than my father. I wouldn't want Gruden teaching my kid squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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