CousinRicky Posted October 19, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 583 Content Count: 22,724 Reputation: 5,862 Days Won: 109 Joined: 09/13/2007 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I know this may be behind a paywall for some but will put this out here. Maybe you can clear cookies if you've reached a max on free articles (if they still do that). By our friends Matt Baker and Joey Knight. https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bulls/2022/10/18/usf-football-jeff-scott-hot-seat-coaching-carousel-bulls/ Nothing earth shattering and they don't suggest one or the other. Just laying out the reasons for each option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sk00b Posted October 19, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 19 Content Count: 3,417 Reputation: 1,193 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/09/2010 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) I'm in the camp... Buddy just can't get it done unfortunately. "Would you want a job that fired three of its last four coaches after three seasons each" I promise you there are coaches out there that would love to come here for $2m a year... Hell, just grab a local HS coach at this point. Edited October 19, 2022 by Sk00b 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BiggTipp Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 108 Content Count: 2,484 Reputation: 288 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/26/2005 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sk00b said: I'm in the camp... Buddy just can't get it done unfortunately. "Would you want a job that fired three of its last four coaches after three seasons each" I promise you there are coaches out there that would love to come here for $2m a year... Hell, just grab a local HS coach at this point. I don't think that argument holds water. Holtz went 8-5 to 5-7 to 3-9. Clearly downward trend. Strong went from 11-2 to 7-6 to 4-8. Clearly a downward trend Scott has yet to get off the ground. I don't see any waves in the trends...only decline. If anybody looked at it at more than a surface level then this wouldn't apply. If his articles got progressively worse over in his first three years, would the Times keep him? Probably not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostbuster Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 730 Reputation: 438 Days Won: 4 Joined: 09/07/2010 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Nothing in the article that hasn't been covered a lot already. At least before they tried looking at coaching records and comparing success levels. 7 minutes ago, Sk00b said: I'm in the camp... Buddy just can't get it done unfortunately. "Would you want a job that fired three of its last four coaches after three seasons each" It's a valid point in isolation. You don't want to fire ppl constantly. But at this point no reasonable person would say "How could you fire this guy after he only won a single FBS game in 3 years?". To be honest I wonder how it looks to recruits. Objectively it's a lot easier/quicker to point at the losses coupled with his extension and say "guess they don't care about winning". (Heck, look at how many of our own fans say that) It's a lot harder to convey "well he was hired during COVID, our facilities have been lagging, we had to turn to a true freshman one year and this year we were snake bitten by injuries". So my question is at what point does it become a liability, and you have other coaches saying "Look USFs coach doesn't know how to win and you're going to be stuck with a culture that doesn't care about winning because they can't". *Regardless of how true that sentiment is* I fear it could resonate and hurt our recruiting. Would love for an article to address that and tell me how off or on the mark I am about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Johnson Posted October 19, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 1,834 Content Count: 5,491 Reputation: 1,808 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/02/2018 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Ghostbuster said: Nothing in the article that hasn't been covered a lot already. At least before they tried looking at coaching records and comparing success levels. It's a valid point in isolation. You don't want to fire ppl constantly. But at this point no reasonable person would say "How could you fire this guy after he only won a single FBS game in 3 years?". To be honest I wonder how it looks to recruits. Objectively it's a lot easier/quicker to point at the losses coupled with his extension and say "guess they don't care about winning". (Heck, look at how many of our own fans say that) It's a lot harder to convey "well he was hired during COVID, our facilities have been lagging, we had to turn to a true freshman one year and this year we were snake bitten by injuries". So my question is at what point does it become a liability, and you have other coaches saying "Look USFs coach doesn't know how to win and you're going to be stuck with a culture that doesn't care about winning because they can't". *Regardless of how true that sentiment is* I fear it could resonate and hurt our recruiting. Would love for an article to address that and tell me how off or on the mark I am about it. Counterpoint: There is another aspect that resonates and hurts recruiting, and is likely a big reason why USF only has six commitments at this point. The widespread discussion about whether or not this coach, and the rest of the staff, will be here past Thanksgiving weekend. If you were a HS prospect being recruiting by someone who will be gone before you get there, would you make a commitment? Or keep your options open until it all shakes out at the end of the year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bull Nut Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 1,327 Reputation: 597 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/19/2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2022 I don't think there is a happy ending to this story even if it was told in a massage parlor. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,144 Reputation: 4,649 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Sk00b said: "Would you want a job that fired three of its last four coaches after three seasons each" If it pays well and is a great opportunity, of course. Ideally you want a challenge and believe in yourself. If these people are that soft, they probably shouldn't be in this business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Matrix Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 604 Content Count: 16,504 Reputation: 2,952 Days Won: 43 Joined: 01/04/2003 Share Posted October 19, 2022 The easy fix is to right their wrongs… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,738 Reputation: 10,964 Days Won: 425 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Bull Awakening said: The easy fix is to right their wrongs… So go the Seminole medicine man route ...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Johnson Posted October 19, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 1,834 Content Count: 5,491 Reputation: 1,808 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/02/2018 Share Posted October 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, Rocky Style said: If it pays well and is a great opportunity, of course. Ideally you want a challenge and believe in yourself. If these people are that soft, they probably shouldn't be in this business. Is it a "great opportunity" tho? And if you are good at what you do, there will be other places making you the same offer... even if you have to wait a year.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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