Gregory must go

[CousinRicky]

3 hours ago, SantaBull said:

Most of his stats are improved but as a point guard one of your responsibilities is to get the ball to your teammates in "their spot."

John Stockton said the most important stat for a PG is team FG%. USF currently ranks #341 in team FG%.

The criticism is justified.

Disagree.  We just miss too many open jumpers.  Not his fault.

[JTrue]

7 hours ago, SantaBull said:

Most of his stats are improved but as a point guard one of your responsibilities is to get the ball to your teammates in "their spot."

John Stockton said the most important stat for a PG is team FG%. USF currently ranks #341 in team FG%.

The criticism is justified.

100%... its like RBIs in baseball. A great hitter drives in runs whether or not the guys in front of him actually have any ability to get on base. Good analogy and quote.

Edited January 15, 2022 by JTrue

[Triple B]

43 minutes ago, JTrue said:

100%... its like RBIs in baseball. A great hitter drives in runs whether or not the guys in front of him actually have any ability to get on base. Good analogy and quote.

That's some good **** right there ....

[SantaBull]

53 minutes ago, JTrue said:

100%... its like RBIs in baseball. A great hitter drives in runs whether or not the guys in front of him actually have any ability to get on base. Good analogy and quote.

Funny. That's why I quoted a point guard and didn't use a strawman argument from another sport.

[Triple B]

43 minutes ago, SantaBull said:

Funny. That's why I quoted a point guard and didn't use a strawman argument from another sport.

You quoted a point guard who was dishing to players that actually had spots they could make shots from, which has nothing to do with Murphy ....

And you do realize you "Liked" CR's post which contradicted your assessment, right?

[SantaBull]

9 hours ago, Triple B said:

You quoted a point guard who was dishing to players that actually had spots they could make shots from, which has nothing to do with Murphy ....

And you do realize you "Liked" CR's post which contradicted your assessment, right?

I agreed with the part that we miss too many open shots. These are D1 players and each of them should have a place on the court where they have the greatest likelihood of making a shot they are comfortable with (e.g Fred Lewis) at the elbow). I'm not saying this is exclusively on Murphy, although his ability to dribble to penetrate should generate alot more easy baskets for others, but also think Gregory should be running plays that get the ball to people where they can make a basket.

What happened to this alleged Princeton offense I was hearing about in the offseason where we should be seeing back cuts to the basket for lay ups? This goes back to the OP that Gregory has to go - Murphy's development depends on it.

Edited January 15, 2022 by SantaBull

[Friscobull]

11 hours ago, JTrue said:

100%... its like RBIs in baseball. A great hitter drives in runs whether or not the guys in front of him actually have any ability to get on base. Good analogy and quote.

This entire argument is confusing, The bottom line is Murphy is not a point guard but has to play one due to CBG’s inability to locate one.  Greg Maddox was a great pitcher but if he was forced to play shortstop or catch he would struggle also.

[SantaBull]

3 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

This entire argument is confusing, The bottom line is Murphy is not a point guard but has to play one due to CBG’s inability to locate one.  Greg Maddox was a great pitcher but if he was forced to play shortstop or catch he would struggle also.

The baseball analogies are funny - pitching and playing the field are completely different skill sets. Murphy if I remember played both the 1 and 2 in high school has played mostly the 1 since he has been here (~35 games). Early in his freshman year he displayed excellent passing skills, but his passing and long-range shooting skills have diminished. I think its a combination of confidence, the roles he is being asked to play (to your point), the lack of talent around him, and the lack development/coaching from the staff.

To be clear, I don't want Murphy to go but he has regressed in some areas of his game, and the best way for him to reach his potential may be to get away from Gregory.   

[Friscobull]

18 minutes ago, SantaBull said:

The baseball analogies are funny - pitching and playing the field are completely different skill sets. Murphy if I remember played both the 1 and 2 in high school has played mostly the 1 since he has been here (~35 games). Early in his freshman year he displayed excellent passing skills, but his passing and long-range shooting skills have diminished. I think its a combination of confidence, the roles he is being asked to play (to your point), the lack of talent around him, and the lack development/coaching from the staff.

To be clear, I don't want Murphy to go but he has regressed in some areas of his game, and the best way for him to reach his potential may be to get away from Gregory.   

It was a stretch and was being a wise ass however he played point in HS because he was the best player similar to the best FB player playing QB. He can’t penetrate against a zone and we can’t shoot 3’s.  He is much better off the ball and playing him at point does him and the team a disservice. In conclusion, we can’t shoot, poorly coached, little to no player development and overall our future is bleak.    

[SantaBull]

13 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

It was a stretch and was being a wise ass however he played point in HS because he was the best player similar to the best FB player playing QB. He can’t penetrate against a zone and we can’t shoot 3’s.  He is much better off the ball and playing him at point does him and the team a disservice. In conclusion, we can’t shoot, poorly coached, little to no player development and overall our future is bleak.    

Who do you have run the point then? You can't put Greene there because he is not a distributor and is our best outside shooter - we need to be running him off screens not having 9 sets of eyeballs watching him bring it up the court. Chaplin is a true small forward and is starting to surge, so do you flip flop and him and Murphy? Now you have 2 players out of position

Even if you had a capable PG replacement, Murphy can't play the 2 because he has abandoned shooting open 3 pointers (in favor of taking one dribble in for a contested long 2 pointer). He plays more like a small forward but he is too small for that position. Whatever you gain, if anything, in playing him at the 2 or 3 you more than give up by the downgrade at the point position.

The only solution is to keep Murphy there and develop him.