Raetus Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 9 Content Count: 1,037 Reputation: 309 Days Won: 12 Joined: 01/31/2010 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Just now, TallyBull said: Just to be clear (I express no opinion either way), you would want us to turn down an invitation to the Big XII if BYU were also invited? Yes or no? If BYU accepts an invitation and intends to stand by their stances on homosexuals, then yes, I would want USF to decline that invitation. An acceptance says that the school is putting sports profits before many more important aspects of the university's mission. If BYU has an acceptable revision to their stance, then I have no problem with them. America and the world in general have marginalized groups time and time again... if I held some type of weird vendetta against everyone who once believed something bigoted, then I would have to hate my 72 year old father-in-law, which I don't (in fact, I love him quite a lot). With how fickle a conference affiliation has proved to USF over the past two decades, it would be extremely short-sighted to turn a blind-eye to what that says about our university in favor of short-term profits. It really comes down to whether or not sports/profits or the moral-fiber of your university is more important. Even with the new additions, are we saying the Big 12 will for sure be around in 10 years? What happens if Texas leaves? Oklahoma? Who knows what the landscape will look like. tldr: I'd be all for the Big 12 invite, but not at the cost of potentially harming the university as a public, inclusive, academic institute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gismo Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 417 Content Count: 9,688 Reputation: 1,237 Days Won: 8 Joined: 09/24/2009 Share Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) I'm eating boars head ultimate publix sub as I type this. Today's sale $5.99. Toasted, so good. Edited August 15, 2016 by Gismo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaUSFBull Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 263 Content Count: 24,750 Reputation: 3,107 Days Won: 87 Joined: 12/15/2009 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Just now, Raetus said: If BYU accepts an invitation and intends to stand by their stances on homosexuals, then yes, I would want USF to decline that invitation ... If BYU has an acceptable revision to their stance Ok, I'll play along ... What do you think their "stance on homosexuals" is, and what would an acceptable revision to said stance look like to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raetus Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 9 Content Count: 1,037 Reputation: 309 Days Won: 12 Joined: 01/31/2010 Share Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, brybull1970 said: Not sure I recall such distaste for being "involved" with BYU when we signed the home-and-home with them for 2021-22. If you're talking about my personal distaste, I apologize, I didn't realize my opinions on all things USF were important. If you're willing to put together a questionnaire, I'm more than willing to answer it. If BYU is standing by their current opinions on the matter, then I'm not interested in playing them. Other than some great success in the 80s and 90s, BYU isn't terribly interesting to me. Good football team year-in-and-year out, but people desire them for their international fan base. They're like Notre Dame jr when it comes to fans. They will 100% add value to your television package if you add them. Edited August 15, 2016 by Raetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullrush33 Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 85 Content Count: 3,808 Reputation: 793 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2008 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Honestly I dont think BYUs LGBT stance is going to have any effect on their inclusion. BYUs biggest problem i going to be Saturday night game and having to be back before Sunday. Not going to work as well as having them as football only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dogma Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 303 Content Count: 5,550 Reputation: 866 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/07/2009 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, NavyUSFGuy said: Publix sucks, idk why you'd send the big 12 guys anything that would make them hate Florida anymore than they already do. The ONLY thing Publix has going for it, is its fried chicken 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raetus Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 9 Content Count: 1,037 Reputation: 309 Days Won: 12 Joined: 01/31/2010 Share Posted August 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, GaUSFBull said: Ok, I'll play along ... What do you think their "stance on homosexuals" is, and what would an acceptable revision to said stance look like to you? Why am I responsible for revising this, again? I came up with this, though, while trying to assembly a piece of Ikea furniture: "Gay people are humans and should have the same right as all other humans." As for their stance on homosexuals, it's very vocal. You can read about it on suspect newsrags like "The Washington Post" or "The New York Times". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raetus Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 9 Content Count: 1,037 Reputation: 309 Days Won: 12 Joined: 01/31/2010 Share Posted August 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said: Honestly I dont think BYUs LGBT stance is going to have any effect on their inclusion. BYUs biggest problem i going to be Saturday night game and having to be back before Sunday. Not going to work as well as having them as football only. I mostly agree with this, but the Big 12 network is operated by ESPN, which is owned by Disney. And Disney might be one of the most LGBT-friendly companies of its size in the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PCBull14 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said: Honestly I dont think BYUs LGBT stance is going to have any effect on their inclusion. BYUs biggest problem i going to be Saturday night game and having to be back before Sunday. Not going to work as well as having them as football only. I'm not sure your correct on this. Already this is having an impact on them being considered. It's not just the LGBT stance btw but I'm not here to discuss religion. All I have to say is BYU has some explaining to do and some changes to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,738 Reputation: 10,964 Days Won: 425 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted August 15, 2016 26 minutes ago, NavyUSFGuy said: Publix sucks, idk why you'd send the big 12 guys anything that would make them hate Florida anymore than they already do. The ONLY thing Publix has going for it, is its fried chicken 20 minutes ago, GaUSFBull said: NewEnglandBull, is that you? I totally understand that those who don't have access to Publix despise it. Navy is a disgruntled ex-associate if my memory serves me correctly .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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