NewEnglandBull Posted November 13, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted November 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, USFBulls727 said: Hopefully there will be no fully guaranteed contract for the next HC, no matter who it is. Just seems too risky for a school in our situation. Nobody is guaranteed to win here. Modest base pay, heavier on incentives. Hopefully we go that route. Earn your money. Fully guaranteed contracts is a standard operational procedure. You won’t get anyone decent without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted November 13, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,272 Reputation: 6,158 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said: Fully guaranteed contracts is a standard operational procedure. You won’t get anyone decent without it. It doesn’t make it any less dumb. I want to meet the first moron that said sure we will fully guarantee almost all of your contract but if you break your side of it you only have to pay roughly a tenth of that. At the very least each side of the contract should be equitable and the sooner ads recognize that they are giving the world to coaches for little in return the better off the schools will be. Every year tens of coaches get bought out for millions of dollars while a handful of coaches have their contracts bought out by a new school for pennies on the dollar, it makes no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted November 13, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, puc86 said: It doesn’t make it any less dumb. I want to meet the first moron that said sure we will fully guarantee almost all of your contract but if you break your side of it you only have to pay roughly a tenth of that. At the very least each side of the contract should be equitable and the sooner ads recognize that they are giving the world to coaches for little in return the better off the schools will be. Every year tens of coaches get bought out for millions of dollars while a handful of coaches have their contracts bought out by a new school for pennies on the dollar, it makes no sense. It is still the way business is done. Moot point now. Edited November 13, 2019 by NewEnglandBull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted November 13, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,272 Reputation: 6,158 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted November 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said: It is still the way business is done. Moot point now. Business is always done a certain way until someone comes around and reforms it. All transactions used to be cash or check and now they are practically obsolete. All transactions used to take place in retail spaces and now online is usurping that. All restaurant food used to be sit down and now drive thru and delivery services have cut into that. Business evolves and things are only moot until someone realizes it doesn’t have to be any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted November 13, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, puc86 said: Business is always done a certain way until someone comes around and reforms it. All transactions used to be cash or check and now they are practically obsolete. All transactions used to take place in retail spaces and now online is usurping that. All restaurant food used to be sit down and now drive thru and delivery services have cut into that. Business evolves and things are only moot until someone realizes it doesn’t have to be any longer. Again don’t compare a dishwasher or floor salesperson with the emotion, passion, and competition of college football. This element will not be going away. There is always a cost of doing business some of it is illegal and is unknown by the general public and some of it is out in the open and seems stupid. But to break such a model would be costly for business (university), not to mention it “could” be interpreted negatively relative to financial solvency and concern for quality by consumers (fans not associated with USF). Edited November 13, 2019 by NewEnglandBull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted November 14, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,272 Reputation: 6,158 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted November 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said: Again don’t compare a dishwasher or floor salesperson with the emotion, passion, and competition of college football. This element will not be going away. There is always a cost of doing business some of it is illegal and is unknown by the general public and some of it is out in the open and seems stupid. But to break such a model would be costly for business (university), not to mention it “could” be interpreted negatively relative to financial solvency and concern for quality by consumers (fans not associated with USF). Oh I agree we shouldn’t be the ones bold enough to start the movement but if a few other people do we should rush to be early adapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted November 14, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 minute ago, puc86 said: Oh I agree we shouldn’t be the ones bold enough to start the movement but if a few other people do we should rush to be early adapters. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBulls727 Posted November 14, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 62 Content Count: 2,286 Reputation: 495 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/26/2013 Share Posted November 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, puc86 said: Oh I agree we shouldn’t be the ones bold enough to start the movement but if a few other people do we should rush to be early adapters. I'd hate to see us in this same situation in the future where we can't afford to buy out a coach that most of the fan base doesn't want. Who knows, maybe the non-guaranteed, incentive based contract becomes a common thing among G5 teams, and may have to out of necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinRicky Posted November 14, 2019 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 583 Content Count: 22,721 Reputation: 5,862 Days Won: 109 Joined: 09/13/2007 Share Posted November 14, 2019 16 hours ago, USFBulls727 said: I'd hate to see us in this same situation in the future where we can't afford to buy out a coach that most of the fan base doesn't want. Who knows, maybe the non-guaranteed, incentive based contract becomes a common thing among G5 teams, and may have to out of necessity. Serious question. Are there any of these type contracts out there in D1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBulls727 Posted November 14, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 62 Content Count: 2,286 Reputation: 495 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/26/2013 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, CousinRicky said: Serious question. Are there any of these type contracts out there in D1? I seriously doubt it, I just think it would make sense for many G5 schools whose football programs are bleeding money. Last figures I saw for our own school is that we bring in $9Mil annually, with $12Mil in expenses (in football only). That contract we gave Charlie is just outrageous for a school with our budget, and I wish we would change the way these contracts are written. I know I'm dreaming here, that it probably won't be happening, but the base pay shouldn't exceed maybe 500K a year or so. Only way anyone gets $2Mil a year here is if they hit all the incentives....Bowl, Conference Championship, NY6, etc, etc. Just don't want to see the school in this situation again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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