Still Want An OCS?

[Who'sYourData?]

The really sad thing is that they built (and I use the term loosely) that travesty because they were mad at the local leaders about the dump that was the Citrus Bowl. The Citrus Bowl is now a really nice place to watch a football game.  Impatient fools rushed into building a substandard thing that can barely be called a stadium.

[footnfan1]

The really sad thing is that they built (and I use the term loosely) that travesty because they were mad at the local leaders about the dump that was the Citrus Bowl. The Citrus Bowl is now a really nice place to watch a football game.  Impatient fools rushed into building a substandard thing that can barely be called a stadium.

 

 

 

That is about as far from the real story as possible.

[zarnozdabull]

Id take a winning team first over anything. Ray Jay is a great stadium and watching that 2007 wvu game you cant even tell thats the Bucs' stadium, its all green. Can we just start winning again?

However when we do build an OCS Id want a design like Autzen that focuses and amplifies all the crowd noise down to the field. Dont care about amenities or recliners I just want other teams to not want to come to our stadium because its too loud and it bothers them.

[ArmyBull]

I was there last year.  I have been to several high school stadiums that were better built and more comfortable to watch a game in.  If USF builds an abomination like that, I'll not go to games.

 

 

 

 

I was there for the 2013 game.  We should have won, they got lucky.  That being said, saying a high school stadium is better than C. Florida's stadium is silly.  I wish USF could at least start with something like that.  I would rather take the kiddos to the campus than explain why we have a pirate ship.  Although, the kiddos love the pirate ship.  

 

Not even a little bit silly.  There are plenty of high school stadiums in the state that are far better than UCF's stadium.  That isn't even counting the stadiums in Texas.

 

 

Silly in the sense that most of the very "nice" high school stadiums that you are referring to seat well under 20k, most not even that.  I am not sure what the difference is between sitting on metal bleachers vs. concrete bleachers.  The stadium you referenced is not filled with seatbacks.  At any rate, C.Florida's stadium seats like 40k+ and when I re-watched the game from 2013, I could not even see the seats or tell that the stadium was metal because IT WAS FULL!

 

I have watched these OCS threads go back and forth, same arguments, nothing really new.  However, I am still amazed at the amount of fans that would rather not have an OCS at all vs. a reasonable steel structure that we can grow and expand with.  I think we get C. Florida on the brain too much (because every thing they do must suck and we can't be like them) and do not realize that a large number of power 5 schools have the same exact steel stadiums with different facades.  So instead we start talking about pro amenities, recliners (really), and the like.

 

Do we realize that there are only 7 D1 college programs that share a stadium with an NFL team (thanks google) and that only two of them, Pitt and Miami, are in a power 5 league?  Sure we can look back to WVU game and say things like "It did not matter back then" but it did, winning has a way of covering other issues.  We are the ones that don't look like the other kids, we are the great minority, not those programs with metal stadiums.  What we see as a strength is simply not.   

 

So yea, lets sit back and biotch about not getting an OCS because it must be prettier than C. Florida while we enjoy red seats and a pirate ship, especially nice for the ECU games (vomit).  Traveling down Dale Mabry to 1 Buc Place will never compare to the on campus experience, regardless of the material used to make the structure.    

Edited August 14, 2015 by ArmyBull

[Who'sYourData?]

I was there last year.  I have been to several high school stadiums that were better built and more comfortable to watch a game in.  If USF builds an abomination like that, I'll not go to games.

 

 

 

 

I was there for the 2013 game.  We should have won, they got lucky.  That being said, saying a high school stadium is better than C. Florida's stadium is silly.  I wish USF could at least start with something like that.  I would rather take the kiddos to the campus than explain why we have a pirate ship.  Although, the kiddos love the pirate ship.  

 

Not even a little bit silly.  There are plenty of high school stadiums in the state that are far better than UCF's stadium.  That isn't even counting the stadiums in Texas.

 

 

Silly in the sense that most of the very "nice" high school stadiums that you are referring to seat well under 20k, most not even that.  I am not sure what the difference is between sitting on metal bleachers vs. concrete bleachers.  The stadium you referenced is not filled with seatbacks.  At any rate, C.Florida's stadium seats like 40k+ and when I re-watched the game from 2013, I could not even see the seats or tell that the stadium was metal because IT WAS FULL!

 

I have watched these OCS threads go back and forth, same arguments, nothing really new.  However, I am still amazed at the amount of fans that would rather not have an OCS at all vs. a reasonable steel structure that we can grow and expand with.  I think we get C. Florida on the brain too much (because every thing they do must suck and we can't be like them) and do not realize that a large number of power 5 schools have the same exact steel stadiums with different facades.  So instead we start talking about pro amenities, recliners (really), and the like.

 

Do we realize that there are only 7 D1 college programs that share a stadium with an NFL team (thanks google) and that only two of them, Pitt and Miami, are in a power 5 league?  Sure we can look back to WVU game and say things like "It did not matter back then" but it did, winning has a way of covering other issues.  We are the ones that don't look like the other kids, we are the great minority, not those programs with metal stadiums.  What we see as a strength is simply not.   

 

So yea, lets sit back and biotch about not getting an OCS because it must be prettier than C. Florida while we enjoy red seats and a pirate ship, especially nice for the ECU games (vomit).  Traveling down Dale Mabry to 1 Buc Place will never compare to the on campus experience, regardless of the material used to make the structure.    

 

Who cares how much the high school stadiums seat?  They are superior.  If you are allegedly one of the largest universities in the country, it should embarrass you to spend less on your stadium than a high school in Texas did.  That tells you all you need to know about the quality.

 

By the way, you keep going on an on about how great it is they have a stadium.  And you are critical of my description.  Yet you have not added your own thoughts about their stadium.  

 

Have you actually been to the stadium?  I'm not really sure how you can prop up a stadium you've never been to.

[Brad]

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Prop up, good term. 😂

[Who'sYourData?]

 

The really sad thing is that they built (and I use the term loosely) that travesty because they were mad at the local leaders about the dump that was the Citrus Bowl. The Citrus Bowl is now a really nice place to watch a football game.  Impatient fools rushed into building a substandard thing that can barely be called a stadium.

 

 

 

That is about as far from the real story as possible.

 

 

LOL  I know the story at least as well as you do.  

 

UCF got whiny about having to find another place to play while the stadium was refurbished.  This led to Central Florida Wok was installed over a long weekend by some of the parents.  And they forgot to install plumbing in their haste.

[Triple B]

I'm not really sure how you can prop up a stadium

Apparently chain link fence ...

[namuh-bull]

I live in a Texas town of 30,000 people with a high school stadium that seats 15,000 people, has a big video scoreboard, etc.  They spend money down here on the schools.  I think our local school budget for this town is now over 180 million per year.

 

That said, I have never been to UCF's stadium.  I went to a game at the Citrus Bowl before I moved to Texas, but I think you guys are selling their place short.  Just beign on campus will promote a better atmosphere than we have at Raymond James, although I see that they are making what I consider a mistake and making some type of club lounge area.  That's a big reason why the atmosphere in RJS is a bit of a snoozer.  Too easy for casual fans to ignore the game and just socialize in the end zones and lounge areas.

 

When and if we do build an OCS, I don't care if it is done in metal, concrete, or some other material.  It should be a bowl, be designed and built with expansion in stages for a total of up to 80,000 seats in mind (you never know what will happen in the future), and be built with seat license donations as well as naming rights for everything that together could raise up to 80 million dollars or more.

 

First, let's get the team winning again.  I think this year we win the conference.

 

Go Bulls!

[ArmyBull]

I live in a Texas town of 30,000 people with a high school stadium that seats 15,000 people, has a big video scoreboard, etc.  They spend money down here on the schools.  I think our local school budget for this town is now over 180 million per year.

 

That said, I have never been to UCF's stadium.  I went to a game at the Citrus Bowl before I moved to Texas, but I think you guys are selling their place short.  Just beign on campus will promote a better atmosphere than we have at Raymond James, although I see that they are making what I consider a mistake and making some type of club lounge area.  That's a big reason why the atmosphere in RJS is a bit of a snoozer.  Too easy for casual fans to ignore the game and just socialize in the end zones and lounge areas.

 

When and if we do build an OCS, I don't care if it is done in metal, concrete, or some other material.  It should be a bowl, be designed and built with expansion in stages for a total of up to 80,000 seats in mind (you never know what will happen in the future), and be built with seat license donations as well as naming rights for everything that together could raise up to 80 million dollars or more.

 

First, let's get the team winning again.  I think this year we win the conference.

 

Go Bulls!

 

 

Agree.  I don't care about UCF's stadium (in general)  I went there once for the 2013 game.  I thought it was fine.  Was it RJS? No.  Would I be fine with UCF's stadium as an on campus venue for us, absolutely!  Like Namuh said, build a bowl that students can walk to and brings fans back to campus, other than that, who really cares?  You simply cannot replicate the college experience in a pro stadium as they are really designed for an entirely different demographic, not to mention a different team.    My point was that most times it seems that the general reasoning for not wanting a modestly priced stadium is because UCF did that.  Well, guess what, they keep expanding theirs and by the time we get around to it, we may be priced out of building something like theirs any way.  If I recall, they built theirs back in 07.  If they paid 50 mil back then, it would probably cost 75mil today.  

 

Like I said, I was there in 2013, never been there before or since.  We got there about three hours early, walked around, saw a bunch of stuff.  That is when I became really done with not having an OCS.  It has little to do with UCF but more to do with the experience of an on campus game day feel.  UCF felt like a college game, and sorry, USF at RJS does not.  You know what is sad.  I have been to UCF's campus one more time in the last three years than USF's.  Why else do fans have a reason to go back to campus?  UCFs campus was nice, looked like a resort style little city, the whole marching to the stadium thing they did seemed fun for the UCF'ers and the tailgating was pretty awesome.  USF needs all of that, not because it is UCF, but because this is college football, USF's campus needs college football.  Yes, I agree, it needs to be done right. Namuh's requirements above are all that is needed:

 

1 - Bowl shape

2- Designed for expansion (starting at 40+) 

3- Be on campus

 

Steps 1-3 will make it done right, everything else is not important.

Edited August 14, 2015 by ArmyBull