Leavitt, Holtz, CTW -and the 1st sign of hope

[Bull Matrix]

What a mess!!!

[USFbulls24]

Why did Holtz fail? 

 

(1) He never understood how and why Leavitt won. But he did try to keep it together (the same system) while slowly work in his system.

(2) He could never pump up the team. There went 1/2 of the victories he would have had.

(3) Defensively, it was "turrible". Soft. Not aggressive.

(4) He could not recruit any better than Leavitt did.

 

Yes, say what you want, Holtz was probably better at X's and O's than Leavitt. But he had no idea what he was stepping into when he took over the program. And he probably left the program scratching his head.

 

Why has CWT done so poorly for 2 years?

 

(1) He installed a brand-new system with players who had no identity. And even worse, he put in a system that takes years to recruit and put together. Going one step further, I would argue that it's a system for the Big Ten: Wisconsin is the role model for this setup.

 

(2) He took away the number one asset for being a Florida school: Florida athletes. He slowed everything down and made the players play in slow motion, negating their speed and athleticism. The formations and motions were more important than the players! When you see our players making mistakes that seem so unexplainable, it tells me that they are being made to practice and learn a system that is so foreign to them. They didn't play this way in junior high and high school. The only ones that look natural out there? The running backs. Thank goodness he lets them run.

 

(3) Team philosophy. The defense seldom gambles. And on offense, it's been like some kind of dance routine with the formations. It sort of reminds me of the British Redcoats back in the day. They'd get into their formations and then get all shot up.

 

What's good about CWT?

 

He's able to recruit pretty well. Still, we didn't get a QB that we needed. But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? Personally, I think it's a flawed system for USF football. And even Matt couldn't have made it work.

 

Holtz kept a similar system, but not the same. I remember his first year here one of his top priorities was to get BJ Daniels to stay in the pocket and not run. What a joke that is. Good idea Skip. Let's take away half the game of our best player on offense?? 

 

Agree that this system cannot work here. CWT is one heck of a recruiter, but everything else has to be questioned to this point. Motivating, X's & O's, game planning, development, roster decision making, etc. 

 

I have yet to see a sign of hope in the last 2 seasons from Taggart. I'm really hoping to see one this upcoming season, but I am certainly not holding my breath for it.

 

There was a reason for that.  He didn't have a backup QB should BJ get hurt scrambling around.

Still not a good move. You're limiting your team and it's potential by doing so. He didn't bring in a guy in over the course of three years that could be considered a legitimate back up.

[Bulls On Parade]

Why did Holtz fail?

(1) He never understood how and why Leavitt won. But he did try to keep it together (the same system) while slowly work in his system.

(2) He could never pump up the team. There went 1/2 of the victories he would have had.

(3) Defensively, it was "turrible". Soft. Not aggressive.

(4) He could not recruit any better than Leavitt did.

Yes, say what you want, Holtz was probably better at X's and O's than Leavitt. But he had no idea what he was stepping into when he took over the program. And he probably left the program scratching his head.

Why has CWT done so poorly for 2 years?

(1) He installed a brand-new system with players who had no identity. And even worse, he put in a system that takes years to recruit and put together. Going one step further, I would argue that it's a system for the Big Ten: Wisconsin is the role model for this setup.

(2) He took away the number one asset for being a Florida school: Florida athletes. He slowed everything down and made the players play in slow motion, negating their speed and athleticism. The formations and motions were more important than the players! When you see our players making mistakes that seem so unexplainable, it tells me that they are being made to practice and learn a system that is so foreign to them. They didn't play this way in junior high and high school. The only ones that look natural out there? The running backs. Thank goodness he lets them run.

(3) Team philosophy. The defense seldom gambles. And on offense, it's been like some kind of dance routine with the formations. It sort of reminds me of the British Redcoats back in the day. They'd get into their formations and then get all shot up.

What's good about CWT?

He's able to recruit pretty well. Still, we didn't get a QB that we needed. But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? Personally, I think it's a flawed system for USF football. And even Matt couldn't have made it work.

Holtz kept a similar system, but not the same. I remember his first year here one of his top priorities was to get BJ Daniels to stay in the pocket and not run. What a joke that is. Good idea Skip. Let's take away half the game of our best player on offense??

Agree that this system cannot work here. CWT is one heck of a recruiter, but everything else has to be questioned to this point. Motivating, X's & O's, game planning, development, roster decision making, etc.

I have yet to see a sign of hope in the last 2 seasons from Taggart. I'm really hoping to see one this upcoming season, but I am certainly not holding my breath for it.

There was a reason for that. He didn't have a backup QB should BJ get hurt scrambling around.

He didn't bring in a guy in over the course of three years that could be considered a legitimate back up.

That and a terrible DC reasons he isn't here now.

[slick1ru2]

Holtz's biggest issue was his DCs at USF. The one he had a LaTech just got hired to be the DC at Miss St. And his team there plays fired up. http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/05/manny-diaz-is-returning-to-mississippi-state-as-defensive-corodinator/

[OrlandoBull]

Most of us can agree that Leavitt wasn't great at X's and O's.

Disagree to this 50%. Leavitt knew defense and he knew D talent. He proved it at more than one college.

 

I don't really know how great Leavitt was at X's and O's. But one thing he was absolutely incredible at was talent evaluation. You don't do what he did in such a short time here without having that. No one wanted George Selvie except who? Leavitt. He was a 1 star Olineman. We were the only D1 school to offer him and Leavitt put him on the defensive side of the ball and became an all american.

 

Nate Allen - a 2 Star QB out of high school. Offered him and put him on the defensive side of the ball.

 

Those are the two players off the top of my head and who knows how many more there are. We have a lot of guys that were and still are in the NFL that were recruited by Leavitt. He knew what he was doing when it came to deciding who could play and who couldn't.

[OrlandoBull]

Leavitt believed defense wins games and put his best athletes on defense that's why we had so many defensive players go on to the nfl who he recruited.

[charsibb]

Makes sense

[The Great 8]

What's good about CWT?

 

... But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? ...

 

 

We went bowling in an infinitely better conference than the one we are in now or that Holtz ever coached in with Pat Julmiste under center. We maintained the ~8 win status quo with B.J. Daniels thrown into the fire his redshirt freshman year.

 

It's safe to say we'd be winning more than 2-4 games in this garbage conference we're in if Leavitt were here, even if you give him the same roster.

[smazza]

 

What's good about CWT?

 

... But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? ...

 

 

We went bowling in an infinitely better conference than the one we are in now or that Holtz ever coached in with Pat Julmiste under center. We maintained the ~8 win status quo with B.J. Daniels thrown into the fire his redshirt freshman year.

 

It's safe to say we'd be winning more than 2-4 games in this garbage conference we're in if Leavitt were here, even if you give him the same roster.

 

 

 

leavitt wouldnt be doing anythingwith this roster but it is true he would probably have recruited better

 

 

but at the end of the leavitt would have usf in the middle of the conference

 

leavitt never won a thing in all his years here

[hbryan]

 

 

What's good about CWT?

 

... But I wonder if Matt Grothe had been back there these two years, would we have won? ...

 

 

We went bowling in an infinitely better conference than the one we are in now or that Holtz ever coached in with Pat Julmiste under center. We maintained the ~8 win status quo with B.J. Daniels thrown into the fire his redshirt freshman year.

 

It's safe to say we'd be winning more than 2-4 games in this garbage conference we're in if Leavitt were here, even if you give him the same roster.

 

 

 

leavitt wouldnt be doing anythingwith this roster but it is true he would probably have recruited better

 

 

but at the end of the leavitt would have usf in the middle of the conference

 

leavitt never won a thing in all his years here

 

 

He won enough games to go bowling consistently, we had a stellar home record, and he won 3 out of 5 of those bowl games.  That's head and antlers above what Holtz and especially Taggart have accomplished.