SMU to the NIT finals

[Bull94]

 

 

 

 

The most USF thing we could say is "I'd rather win the NIT than lose in the first round of the NCAAs"...

Exactly .... It's the Kanigits who treat losses with such reverence.

The NIT is pointless. You win a couple games against teams that weren't good enough to make the NCAAs. This year, only SMU had a real gripe being left out. FSU, Minnesota, etc weren't even really on the bubble.

You win a few games, does it do that much? Maybe, but for the most part the teams that do well in the NIT are guaranteed anything the next season.

The getting young players more prepared is a fun theory, but more likely than not those young players would grow losing in the first round of the NCAA too, they're young.

So, to me making the NCAAs > NIT Finals

if teams 1-64 made the ncaa then maybe you'd have a point about quality. that's not the case.

cal poly at 13-19 is not better than any of the teams that you listed who made the NIT and yet you think that them getting beat by witchita state by 27 is somehow better than smu or minn's run in NIT. quite a few lesser quality teams make it automatically . I'd rather my team win NIT than see them get beat by 40 by wisconsin in 1st round.

anybody who says they'd choose American's fate over SMU or Minn is insane.

I'd say getting to sweet 16 would trump it. probably even winning first round game but just getting there. no way. many poor teams can just get there.

No those poor teams won the right to get their ass kicked by winning their conference tournament. I know winning is a foreign concept here in USF land, but the NCAA is for winners. The NIT is for those that didn't win enough.

 

BTW there were quite a few teams that won their regular season titles but were upset in their tourney that don't make the ncaa's . they play in the NIT.

 

Vermont 15-1 (NIT) was better than Albany 9-7 (NCAA)

UC Irvine 13-3 NIT Cal Poly 6-10 NCAA

Green Bay 14-2 Millwaukee 7-9

 

Iona 17-3 Manhattan 15-5

Southern Miss

Toledo

 

etc

 

plenty of regular season champs don't make NCAAs.

[Joe]

Not choosing to lose. Choosing to have a team that has won enough not to be in the NIT. You are choosing to lose in theory, during the regular season

maybe because we haven't had any success. you guys would be happy just making tourney.

I think this fits your thoughts more than mine...

not really. you're the one choosing to just make the tourney with a sure losss over winning the NIT.

to me winning is more important. to you just making the ncaa's is more important

...but you already lost enough to get there...that's the point!

And don't feed me that fine line crap. SMU was the only bubble team that had a legit gripe on Selection Sunday. FSU, Minnesota, etc all knew they were NIT bound and I'm sure they weren't saying, "beats losing in the first round of the NCAAs"

[DELdaBull]

Goal 1 is win the national title.

If you are not in the NCAA you have failed goal 1.

[Joe]

BTW there were quite a few teams that won their regular season titles but were upset in their tourney that don't make the ncaa's . they play in the NIT.

Vermont 15-1 (NIT) was better than Albany 9-7 (NCAA)

UC Irvine 13-3 NIT Cal Poly 6-10 NCAA

Green Bay 14-2 Millwaukee 7-9

Iona 17-3 Manhattan 15-5

Southern Miss

Toledo

etc

plenty of regular season champs don't make NCAAs.

Those guys are all in leagues that 90% of the time are single bid leagues. Not comparable to our situation.

Even taking the absurd comparison at task, I highly doubt they were thinking, "I'd rather make a run in the NIT, at least we won't get destroyed in the first round of the NCAAs"

[Bull94]

 

 

 

 

Not choosing to lose. Choosing to have a team that has won enough not to be in the NIT. You are choosing to lose in theory, during the regular season

maybe because we haven't had any success. you guys would be happy just making tourney.

I think this fits your thoughts more than mine...

not really. you're the one choosing to just make the tourney with a sure losss over winning the NIT.

to me winning is more important. to you just making the ncaa's is more important

...but you already lost enough to get there...that's the point!

And don't feed me that fine line crap. SMU was the only bubble team that had a legit gripe on Selection Sunday. FSU, Minnesota, etc all knew they were NIT bound and I'm sure they weren't saying, "beats losing in the first round of the NCAAs"

 

what about all the regular season champs that lose in conference tourney? Tons of them that earned it all year long only to be upended by some fluke game against a very subpar team.

 

cal poly was more deserving then uc irvine? american over boston u? millwaukee over green bay? the list goes on and on.

 

just because you make the ncaa's doesn't mean you won more during the regular season. it means you got a few good bounces or got hot in conference tourney.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Bull94

[Bull94]

 

BTW there were quite a few teams that won their regular season titles but were upset in their tourney that don't make the ncaa's . they play in the NIT.

Vermont 15-1 (NIT) was better than Albany 9-7 (NCAA)

UC Irvine 13-3 NIT Cal Poly 6-10 NCAA

Green Bay 14-2 Millwaukee 7-9

Iona 17-3 Manhattan 15-5

Southern Miss

Toledo

etc

plenty of regular season champs don't make NCAAs.

Those guys are all in leagues that 90% of the time are single bid leagues. Not comparable to our situation.

Even taking the absurd comparison at task, I highly doubt they were thinking, "I'd rather make a run in the NIT, at least we won't get destroyed in the first round of the NCAAs"

 

you said winning in the regular season gets you there.

 

it's not true. plenty of regular season conference champs play in NIT

[Bull94]

 

BTW there were quite a few teams that won their regular season titles but were upset in their tourney that don't make the ncaa's . they play in the NIT.

Vermont 15-1 (NIT) was better than Albany 9-7 (NCAA)

UC Irvine 13-3 NIT Cal Poly 6-10 NCAA

Green Bay 14-2 Millwaukee 7-9

Iona 17-3 Manhattan 15-5

Southern Miss

Toledo

etc

plenty of regular season champs don't make NCAAs.

Those guys are all in leagues that 90% of the time are single bid leagues. Not comparable to our situation.

Even taking the absurd comparison at task, I highly doubt they were thinking, "I'd rather make a run in the NIT, at least we won't get destroyed in the first round of the NCAAs"

 

again if given the choice everybody will choose ncaa's over NIT. that wasn't what was asked.

 

would cicny fans rather winr NIT title or would they rather LOSE to harvard. the LOSS is guaranteed. no hoping to move on.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Bull94

[Bull94]

Goal 1 is win the national title.

If you are not in the NCAA you have failed goal 1.

you don't seem to inderstand that you are guaranteed to LOSE in the 1st round. that was the hypothetical. you can't win anything if you are guaranteed to LOSE. there is no hope of winning anything.

 

again I agree I'd rather make NCAA over making NIT. that wasn't the question asked.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Bull94

[Bull94]

 

 

 

 

Not choosing to lose. Choosing to have a team that has won enough not to be in the NIT. You are choosing to lose in theory, during the regular season

maybe because we haven't had any success. you guys would be happy just making tourney.

I think this fits your thoughts more than mine...

 

not really. you're the one choosing to just make the tourney with a sure losss over winning the NIT.

 

to me winning is more important. to you just making the ncaa's is more important

 

 

But your whole fundamental premise is flawed. Just GOING to the NIT means you already lost too many games to get to the NCAA's. That makes you a loser.

 

Edit: sure, once you;re there, you make the best of it, but it's NEVER Plan A.

 

no it doesn't make you a loser. I can list quite a few regular season champs that didn't make it into ncaa's but made it to NIT. they had far better seasons than the teams that made it from their conference. I can also list plenty of teams with like records from major conferences where one made it and another didn't. even head to head they woulkd be considered equals.

 

this false notion that you are a loser if you go to NIT and a winner if you go to NCAA is bunk.

[Joe]

Bull94,

Quit comparing low-major regular season champs losing in their conference tourneys and getting shut out to USF and the AAC.

We are in a league where that probably would never happen.