Will the fans be gentle this season?

[JTrue]

Exactly why I'm optimistic. If Leavitt could roll out 8 wins with essentially the same level talent CWT has on the roster right now, why can't we expect (hope?) for the same?

[GaUSFBull]

AW didn't jump ship on CWT's class, he jumped ship right after Holtz got fired, well before CWT was hired.  CWT can't be faulted for losing AW when he never had him in the first place.  

[slick1ru2]

I`m handing the 'Holtz Lover' title over to JTrue.

[slick1ru2]

AW didn't jump ship on CWT's class, he jumped ship right after Holtz got fired, well before CWT was hired.  CWT can't be faulted for losing AW when he never had him in the first place.  

 

 

I wouldn't call a week, "well before". Holtz out Dec 2, Taggart in Dec 8.

[GaUSFBull]

 

AW didn't jump ship on CWT's class, he jumped ship right after Holtz got fired, well before CWT was hired.  CWT can't be faulted for losing AW when he never had him in the first place.  

 

 

I wouldn't call a week, "well before". Holtz out Dec 2, Taggart in Dec 8.

 

 

Actually, if you want to nitpick, 6 days isn't a week.  

[Triple B]

 

I don't expect a miracle, but I'm still confused on why everyone thinks the cupboard is completely bare. If you use our recent recruiting as a gauge of talent on the roster, we're basically the same level we've been at forever. If you use Rivals as an example (don't bother ******** about recruiting rankings and what they mean, if we're only using USF as the example, it doesn't matter if we're higher or lower than more "popular" schools since we're the constant every year), explain how we've fallen off.

 

2003: 61

2004: 57

2005: 50

2006: 59

2007: 58

2008: 54

2009: 29

2010: 62

2011: 63 (Andre Davis's class, for what its worth)

2012: 49

2013: 47

 

Or since its Holtz we're talking about, his 49 is infinitely worse than CWT's 47? 

 

 

Those 62 and 63 classes are the guys that should be contributing this year... notice how they followed a 29... that is the issue. There are what, 3-4 guys left off of that 2009 class. 2010 was the year that Leavitt got fired, understandable on that one dropping, but, the following year, we went to a bowl, beat ND, and should have had a MUCH MUCH better class than a 63 ranking.

 

 

The beating of Notre Dame would have been reflected in the 2012 class, not 2011 ... if the next years' recruiting is reflected by the immediate previous year ... which is really not born out in those figures. If that were so, 2012 would have been worse than 2010 and 2011.

[Triple B]

I know every class has its share of misses, but that 2009 class owes a good bit of its high ranking to 4-stars Bradley Battles and Adaris Bellamy. My point was, its not like all of a sudden we went from a roster overflowing with talent to one that should be in the Sun Belt. And thats not a knock. I just continue to be amazed at the pure hatred for everything Skip Holtz. 

 

 

 

Fans should call it like they see it.  No need to be gentle.  Holtz was a debacle, so I am glad the fans turned up the heat (though the last game was awkward).

 

I applaud the fans who stuck around that night to boo Skippy off the field.  

 

 

At times, the word fan can be synonymous with douchebag ... 

[Paisa el Toro]

I`m handing the 'Holtz Lover' title over to JTrue.

 

Nah, I think you have that one firmly in your system, kinda like herpes.  UCF is also on standby ready to give you another "gift that keeps on giving."

[JTrue]

AW didn't jump ship on CWT's class, he jumped ship right after Holtz got fired, well before CWT was hired.  CWT can't be faulted for losing AW when he never had him in the first place.  

True. But the statement made that  "I don't think we lost any guys in the class that would have lowered our ranking either, so, the guys that Tags picked up to finish out the class only served to improve what Holtz had assembled to that point" probably isn't the most accurate thing I've read today.

Edited August 30, 2013 by JTrue

[GaUSFBull]

 

I`m handing the 'Holtz Lover' title over to JTrue.

 

Nah, I think you have that one firmly in your system, kinda like herpes.  UCF is also on standby ready to give you another "gift that keeps on giving."