Rejected by Penn State, signing with RU?

[SANJAY]

Apparently Penn Satte had their own Kamran Joyer/Kyhri Thornton situation.  Which may benefit RU if he is admitted. 

Highly-touted recruit Darrell Givens will join the Rutgers football team in time for the start of preseason camp, if he is approved by the university’s admission committee, according to a source familiar with the situation.

Givens, a 6-foot-1, 190-pound cornerback who signed with Penn State in February but was denied admission into the school last week, signed paperwork to attend Rutgers after visiting the campus on Tuesday and is only waiting approval by the university, according to the source.

Givens’ academic profile, including his test scores and Lackey (Md.) High School transcript, is being presented to the university’s admission committee by Carl Kirschner, who recently served as interim athletics director and currently serves as the head of Rutgers’ Academic Oversight Committee, the source said.

While Givens is fully qualified by NCAA academic standards, he didn’t meet Penn State’s standards, his high school coach, Doug Lamb, told the Washington Post on Tuesday.

The report said Givens spent the summer retaking an English course to improve his core grade-point average and become academically eligible to play as a freshman.

http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/rutgers/

[Bullpride08]

This is where it will hurt us tremendously if we don't watch it.  Clearly UL, and RU are not going to sit pat and worry about the academics side of things for football.  They both want to win, and were all to willing to accept Joyer- and others before him.

Remember this day when you tie the hands of your coaches.  When UL, or RU beats you with the very same players we reject just remember to beat your chest about our academic prowess in regards to the football team. :  I for one believe a committee should be concentrating more on improving our academic status of a University and stop worrying about the trivialness of a football program.  If the APR drops it's on the coach, and then you get a new coach, but don't tie the hands of a football coach....not when we're struggling to keep up with the other state schools in academic prowess on the University side-- Harvard we're not.  Improving the scholastic nature of your football program, particularly for a school like USF, is the most asinine waste of resources....no one cares, and all the truly care about at the end of the day is wins-and-losses.  If the team embarrasses you with an APR issue, or sudden highly publicized flunk outs....well then that's what firing is for!

[TBBull717]

This is where it will hurt us tremendously if we don't watch it.  Clearly UL, and RU are not going to sit pat and worry about the academics side of things for football.  They both want to win, and were all to willing to accept Joyer- and others before him.

Remember this day when you tie the hands of your coaches.  When UL, or RU beats you with the very same players we reject just remember to beat your chest about our academic prowess in regards to the football team. :  I for one believe a committee should be concentrating more on improving our academic status of a University and stop worrying about the trivialness of a football program.  If the APR drops it's on the coach, and then you get a new coach, but don't tie the hands of a football coach....not when we're struggling to keep up with the other state schools in academic prowess on the University side-- Harvard we're not.  Improving the scholastic nature of your football program, particularly for a school like USF, is the most asinine waste of resources....no one cares, and all the truly care about at the end of the day is wins-and-losses.  If the team embarrasses you with an APR issue, or sudden highly publicized flunk outs....well then that's what firing is for!

Wholeheartedly agree. Well said.

[redfisher78]

This is where it will hurt us tremendously if we don't watch it.  Clearly UL, and RU are not going to sit pat and worry about the academics side of things for football.  They both want to win, and were all to willing to accept Joyer- and others before him.

Remember this day when you tie the hands of your coaches.  When UL, or RU beats you with the very same players we reject just remember to beat your chest about our academic prowess in regards to the football team. :  I for one believe a committee should be concentrating more on improving our academic status of a University and stop worrying about the trivialness of a football program.  If the APR drops it's on the coach, and then you get a new coach, but don't tie the hands of a football coach....not when we're struggling to keep up with the other state schools in academic prowess on the University side-- Harvard we're not.  Improving the scholastic nature of your football program, particularly for a school like USF, is the most asinine waste of resources....no one cares, and all the truly care about at the end of the day is wins-and-losses.  If the team embarrasses you with an APR issue, or sudden highly publicized flunk outs....well then that's what firing is for!

Neither one of those school is last among BCS schools in APR, nor are they at the point where they will lose scholarship due to APR. We are at 917, and had to apply for a waiver to not lose scholarships. We have to bring it way up, we cant take the chances on some of these guys. Yes teh schools should be more responsible for getting these guys in class, and gettin good grades, which they are taking steps towards right now. But if you look at the overall recruiting for the big time schools, they are getting guys who are phenomenal athletes and are also easy qualifiers. That is a true blue chip recruit. We havent gotten to the level of getting those guys consistently. What I am saying is UL and RU are made up of a better academic base of recruits then what we have right now, they can take a chance.

[2000bull]

This is where it will hurt us tremendously if we don't watch it.  Clearly UL, and RU are not going to sit pat and worry about the academics side of things for football.  They both want to win, and were all to willing to accept Joyer- and others before him.

Remember this day when you tie the hands of your coaches.  When UL, or RU beats you with the very same players we reject just remember to beat your chest about our academic prowess in regards to the football team. :  I for one believe a committee should be concentrating more on improving our academic status of a University and stop worrying about the trivialness of a football program.  If the APR drops it's on the coach, and then you get a new coach, but don't tie the hands of a football coach....not when we're struggling to keep up with the other state schools in academic prowess on the University side-- Harvard we're not.  Improving the scholastic nature of your football program, particularly for a school like USF, is the most asinine waste of resources....no one cares, and all the truly care about at the end of the day is wins-and-losses.  If the team embarrasses you with an APR issue, or sudden highly publicized flunk outs....well then that's what firing is for!

Wholeheartedly agree. Well said.

Don't we have to worry about the academic, since it could affect the amount of scholarships we can offer?

[dabull80]

This is where it will hurt us tremendously if we don't watch it.  Clearly UL, and RU are not going to sit pat and worry about the academics side of things for football.  They both want to win, and were all to willing to accept Joyer- and others before him.

Remember this day when you tie the hands of your coaches.  When UL, or RU beats you with the very same players we reject just remember to beat your chest about our academic prowess in regards to the football team. :  I for one believe a committee should be concentrating more on improving our academic status of a University and stop worrying about the trivialness of a football program.  If the APR drops it's on the coach, and then you get a new coach, but don't tie the hands of a football coach....not when we're struggling to keep up with the other state schools in academic prowess on the University side-- Harvard we're not.  Improving the scholastic nature of your football program, particularly for a school like USF, is the most asinine waste of resources....no one cares, and all the truly care about at the end of the day is wins-and-losses.  If the team embarrasses you with an APR issue, or sudden highly publicized flunk outs....well then that's what firing is for!

Neither one of those school is last among BCS schools in APR, nor are they at the point where they will lose scholarship due to APR. We are at 917, and had to apply for a waiver to not lose scholarships. We have to bring it way up, we cant take the chances on some of these guys. Yes teh schools should be more responsible for getting these guys in class, and gettin good grades, which they are taking steps towards right now. But if you look at the overall recruiting for the big time schools, they are getting guys who are phenomenal athletes and are also easy qualifiers. That is a true blue chip recruit. We havent gotten to the level of getting those guys consistently. What I am saying is UL and RU are made up of a better academic base of recruits then what we have right now, they can take a chance.

Actually no -  we will go way up next year because all the transfers that happened when we went to the BE will be off our record.

[usfbullcpa]

Yes. losing scholarships is a way larger handcuff to a coach than a grades committee.  Is it too much to ask these players to get their head out of their Kiester and study a little if they want to make it to the big time?  I like the way some are willing to say to just let them play, get them in and deal with it later, and then also jump at society for creating pro athletes that have no control and how someone should have held them accountable.

I want to have a winning program.  But would want to also have a program that graduates student athletes that can spell, and add..

UL, UR, these programs are hurting these guys by telling them they can skate as long as they make the big hit.

[Apis Bull]

Oh my God!!  How will Penn State ever recover from this?  This is going to be a huge blow to their recruiting!!

[Bullpride08]

Yes. losing scholarships is a way larger handcuff to a coach than a grades committee.  Is it too much to ask these players to get their head out of their Kiester and study a little if they want to make it to the big time?  I like the way some are willing to say to just let them play, get them in and deal with it later, and then also jump at society for creating pro athletes that have no control and how someone should have held them accountable.

I want to have a winning program.  But would want to also have a program that graduates student athletes that can spell, and add..

UL, UR, these programs are hurting these guys by telling them they can skate as long as they make the big hit.

DUH, the point is if the coach loses scholarships because of the APR then he gets FIRED!  You don't babysit, and micro-manage.  I've seen this destroy other 1-A programs before, the institutional side gets nervous and a knee-jerked response like this occurs.  We lose kids late in the process, or don't go out on a limb.  The results are the football program suffers AND you lose your coach.  If you worry about the effects, and not try to be pro-active, then if the coach the program loses scholarships and embarrasses the University you just fire the coach, presumably while the program is  still on decent footing.

Apis, don't make me laugh comparing us to PSU....PSU lands 5-10 blue-chips a year.  We land 1-2 every five.  They will recover from it, but if USF doesn't watch it someday they won't recover from it.

By the way, before acting so pompous toward the football program lets go back and get the Universities academic numbers in order.  We've got a 48% graduation rate, and are still using transfer students as our claim to fame.  Get that side strengthened before wasting resources to watchdog the football program!!!!!!!!  That's what an AD is for.

[redfisher78]

This is where it will hurt us tremendously if we don't watch it.  Clearly UL, and RU are not going to sit pat and worry about the academics side of things for football.  They both want to win, and were all to willing to accept Joyer- and others before him.

Remember this day when you tie the hands of your coaches.  When UL, or RU beats you with the very same players we reject just remember to beat your chest about our academic prowess in regards to the football team. :  I for one believe a committee should be concentrating more on improving our academic status of a University and stop worrying about the trivialness of a football program.  If the APR drops it's on the coach, and then you get a new coach, but don't tie the hands of a football coach....not when we're struggling to keep up with the other state schools in academic prowess on the University side-- Harvard we're not.  Improving the scholastic nature of your football program, particularly for a school like USF, is the most asinine waste of resources....no one cares, and all the truly care about at the end of the day is wins-and-losses.  If the team embarrasses you with an APR issue, or sudden highly publicized flunk outs....well then that's what firing is for!

Neither one of those school is last among BCS schools in APR, nor are they at the point where they will lose scholarship due to APR. We are at 917, and had to apply for a waiver to not lose scholarships. We have to bring it way up, we cant take the chances on some of these guys. Yes teh schools should be more responsible for getting these guys in class, and gettin good grades, which they are taking steps towards right now. But if you look at the overall recruiting for the big time schools, they are getting guys who are phenomenal athletes and are also easy qualifiers. That is a true blue chip recruit. We havent gotten to the level of getting those guys consistently. What I am saying is UL and RU are made up of a better academic base of recruits then what we have right now, they can take a chance.

Actually no -  we will go way up next year because all the transfers that happened when we went to the BE will be off our record.

That and not letting guys who barely qualify with questionable academics join our program. They are being proactive and trying to build the program the right way. The timing could be better on some of these, but it has to be done