1-AA Transfers

[mastertate]

What is the difference between this and a Liberal Arts degree? there are millions of students with this degree now?  I could list the non carer degrees offered but will save the space.

a student that chooses to pursue a liberal arts or any other non career degree knows exactly what their degree will do for them from the time they start college.  if a kid goes after a "pro athlete preparation" degree he obviously thinks he has a chance to play professionally.  many, many college athletes have an inflated view of their own talents and 99% of freshman football and basketball player thinks they've got a shot to play in the pros........hell i've never met a college basketball player who didn't think he had a shot at the NBA.  by the time these guys are junior or seniors 90% of them realize that is not a realistic option in their future.  allowing football/basketball players to major in "pro athlete preparation" would be taking away whatever semblance of "student-athletes" there still is.

[nukebull]

a student that chooses to pursue a liberal arts or any other non career degree knows exactly what their degree will do for them from the time they start college.  if a kid goes after a "pro athlete preparation" degree he obviously thinks he has a chance to play professionally.  many, many college athletes have an inflated view of their own talents and 99% of freshman football and basketball player thinks they've got a shot to play in the pros........hell i've never met a college basketball player who didn't think he had a shot at the NBA.  by the time these guys are junior or seniors 90% of them realize that is not a realistic option in their future.  allowing football/basketball players to major in "pro athlete preparation" would be taking away whatever semblance of "student-athletes" there still is.

I disagree as Joe mentioned there are many athletes at all levels that do not think they will go Pro, as for BBall players if that were true they could have gone straight to draft. I know personally 9 guys that played Div 1 basketball and all of them knew they were not gonna go pro. The degree would not be a pro athlete degree it would be a degree with a general education and credit for playing sports.

You must not know any liberal arts majors or film majors or English lit majors or art majors. All the ones I know really thought they were gonna be artists or actors or what not and are now in sales.

The idea is to get kids a degree, that is what most employers look for a degree. Why should a band major get credit for playing an instrument and an athlete has to declare a major other than sports making very difficult to do more than 12 credits a semester. You can not get out of USF doing 12 a semester without summer session.

Playing a sport requires a lot of time on top of school. Besides what ever happened to  buyer beware or people being accountable for their decisions and behavior.

[bulls96go]

"education" is not a degree

a degree has value!

spending 4 years at a university and leaving without the degree (or the gaurantee to continue or come back until the degree is earned) does not have value.

[Joe]

"education" is not a degree

a degree has value!

spending 4 years at a university and leaving without the degree (or the gaurantee to continue or come back until the degree is earned) does not have value.

Yes but most schools offer their student atheletes a chance to come back and finish their degree on scholly depending on if they havent flunk out or were way off track.

[SANJAY]

Easy solution would be to allow penalty-free transfers for first year; maybe 2.  This would ensure that kids did not make a mistake and would minimize recruiting by colleges against each other.

[No_Willie_Jokes_Yet]

If you ask me as a professor, I'd tell you that an education has more value than a degree. I see students come through looking for a degree all the time. That's all they want, that slip of paper. They show up to class with the idea of doing the min they need to get their degree. Students coming to school for an education attempt to learn as much as possible. They learn how to study and adapt to projects and schedules that are difficult. They learn how to learn and that is more important than anything else.

Pick a degree program that will allow you to do what you want in life, but dont focus on the slip of paper at the end. Focus on the process, on each assignment and each chapter. The rest will take care of itself.

[Bullpride08]

The problem with the NCAA's tailoring rules specifically guided toward the kids with professional athletic aspirations is that it must be universal.  Sure there is 10% of the players in college football that will ultimately make an NFL roster, and there are about 10% of the Universities in the NCAA that make millions of dollars from these kids but that's a small percentage.  Remember there are 1-AA, DII, and DIII kids that also participate under the umbrella of the NCAA, and 98% of those kids have absolutely no shot what so ever of making the pros and do it exclusively for the love of the game.  I have a cousin going to Columbia on a scholarship to play football, a talented young man but with about a 1 in a 10,000 shot at making a pro roster.  All those kids would need to be included under any new NCAA laws that say kids should get paid or get special treatment or classes.  That isn't fair to those institutions that have no ability to pay for extra stipents for the players or for special programs, especially when they know 99% of their kids have no shot at making a pro program.  The NCAA can't, based on it's by laws and guidelines grant special privileges like that for 1-A schools and athletes exclusively.  

Everytime people bring this point up they only consider the 5-10% 1-A athletes that actually have a legit chance at making a pro roster, and ignore the fact the NCAA and players throughout college must also be included.  The financial ramifications to 95% of the Universities outside of the big cash cow programs would be massive.  Also, the transfer situation should be viewed in the same context.  I agree kids should be granted an exemption based on extenuating circumstances but players and kids should not be granted a free agent status everytime things don't go their way in camp.  Transfering shouldn't be easy, and I agree that a 1-A transfer should only be able to play immediately the following year if he goes 1-AA.  If that rule is killed, it would hurt 1-AA football.  Again, the NCAA cannot ignore that fact at all because those are member institutions too.  They have equal voting rights and deserve equal consideration.  If the rule changed it could be severely detrimental to 1-AA, could you imagine USF in 2002 without Kawika Mitchell, Hugh Smith, and Tucker?

[smazza]

BUYER BEWARE?

NCAA IS HARDLY SET UP LIKE A FREE MARKET.

WHY SHOLDNT TRANSFERING BE EASY? BEcause the big boys dont like it?

the american thing to do and free market thing to do would allow athletes come and go as they please like coaches,Ads and presidents

but power brokers want to keep talent oppressed and and with as few options as possible

[turkeysoup]

 I have a cousin going to Columbia on a scholarship to play football, a talented young man but with about a 1 in a 10,000 shot at making a pro roster.  

Watchu talkin bout Willis?   Columbia doesn't give schorlarships for football.

[nukebull]

BUYER BEWARE?

NCAA IS HARDLY SET UP LIKE A FREE MARKET.

WHY SHOLDNT TRANSFERING BE EASY? BEcause the big boys dont like it?

the american thing to do and free market thing to do would allow athletes come and go as they please like coaches,Ads and presidents

but power brokers want to keep talent oppressed and and with as few options as possible

smazza do you the difference between a student and an employee?