SilverBull Posted August 23, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 207 Content Count: 3,458 Reputation: 1,428 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/09/2007 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Interesting to compare the comments to the consensus preseason forecast on the chart at the bottom of the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Johnson Posted August 23, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 1,834 Content Count: 5,486 Reputation: 1,798 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/02/2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEnglandBull said: Wait…you’re telling me the talent from 15 years ago was the same as the last five seasons? Have you actually seen our defense? Our QB? I should have know better than to insinuate that precious Jim Leavitt was not the difference…sometimes this board….I’ll stand by my point that the talent level from a depth and key positions perspective was better 15 years ago than the last few years. In some cases it was not even close. That isn't what you said... you said it was because of the BCS, and I will say that was not the case. Holtz and Strong lagged in recruiting, so yes... the average of 110 players in 2007 is better and 110 players in 2022... I will even make this claim: Taggart's players in 2015 and 2016, post BCS, were better than Leavitt's players in 2007. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted August 23, 2022 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,714 Reputation: 10,932 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted August 23, 2022 53 minutes ago, SilverBull said: Interesting to compare the comments to the consensus preseason forecast on the chart at the bottom of the article. In regards to us, only one that seems kind of out of whack is Dodd. Says we'll be the surprise of the conference then picks us 9th out of 11 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith S Posted August 23, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 1 Content Count: 168 Reputation: 59 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/04/2011 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said: Wait…you’re telling me the talent from 15 years ago was the same as the last five seasons? Have you actually seen our defense? Our QB? I should have know better than to insinuate that precious Jim Leavitt was not the difference…sometimes this board….I’ll stand by my point that the talent level from a depth and key positions perspective was better 15 years ago than the last few years. In some cases it was not even close. Like the center we got from Pensacola that was a one star that started for us at D End for three years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted August 23, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Jim Johnson said: That isn't what you said... you said it was because of the BCS, and I will say that was not the case. Holtz and Strong lagged in recruiting, so yes... the average of 110 players in 2007 is better and 110 players in 2022... I will even make this claim: Taggart's players in 2015 and 2016, post BCS, were better than Leavitt's players in 2007. I said the BCS gave us better players and those players were generally better than what we have had the past five years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted August 23, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, keith S said: Like the center we got from Pensacola that was a one star that started for us at D End for three years. We don’t get that many three stars now compared to the BCS days (not including transfers). Edited August 23, 2022 by NewEnglandBull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Johnson Posted August 23, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 1,834 Content Count: 5,486 Reputation: 1,798 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/02/2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said: We don’t get that many three stars now compared to the BCS days (not including transfers). https://247sports.com/college/south-florida/Season/2008-Football/Commits/https://247sports.com/college/south-florida/Season/2009-Football/Commits/https://247sports.com/college/south-florida/Season/2021-Football/Commits/ - All are three stars last yearhttps://247sports.com/college/south-florida/Season/2022-Football/Commits/ - All but one is a three star this year It seems we're actually getting a higher percentage of three stars now compared to the BCS days... (although we are getting more transfers because of how transfer rules have changed drastically in the past few years) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBulls84 Posted August 23, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 43 Content Count: 3,899 Reputation: 871 Days Won: 8 Joined: 12/10/2006 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Jim Johnson said: That isn't what you said... you said it was because of the BCS, and I will say that was not the case. Holtz and Strong lagged in recruiting, so yes... the average of 110 players in 2007 is better and 110 players in 2022... I will even make this claim: Taggart's players in 2015 and 2016, post BCS, were better than Leavitt's players in 2007. I'll give you this: The offensive firepower on the 2015-2017 teams were better as a whole than Leavitt's in 2007. Arguably the GOAT QB (you could interchange with Grothe if you want to), plus two NFL RBs, one NFL WR (plus another hanging on the fringe in Adams), and an NFL TE. That said, the 2007 defense was *unquestionably* better than pretty much any defense that's come after it IMO. That was a veteran defense with star power everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted August 23, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,119 Reputation: 4,625 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted August 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, GoBulls84 said: That said, the 2007 defense was *unquestionably* better than pretty much any defense that's come after it IMO. That was a veteran defense with star power everywhere. Yeah you are talking about LBs crushing dudes and D line getting pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBulls84 Posted August 23, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 43 Content Count: 3,899 Reputation: 871 Days Won: 8 Joined: 12/10/2006 Share Posted August 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Rocky Style said: Yeah you are talking about LBs crushing dudes and D line getting pressure. The DL led by Selvie getting constant pressure. The LB corps was outstanding. Mike Jenkins and Trae Williams at CB both ended up in the NFL. Nate Allen ended up in the NFL. Jerome Murphy, then the 3rd CB behind Mike and Trae, ended up in the NFL. That defense was so star studded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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