Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

[GaUSFBull]

7 minutes ago, Azmodi said:

The split if there is one will be at a minimum of 80 teams. This will allow for a reasonable variety of schools and enough teams to truly cover all time zones and major markets. This is all about the Dollar Bill Yo!

As for the Big 12 they are stuck. Oklahoma is stuck because the want out but, they are tied at the hips to Oklahoma State and no one want's both. Texas can go anywhere they want but, they would lose their sweetheart deal with ESPN and have to settle for not being in control. They just can't kneel down for anyone (and that is how they see it). The rest of the conference including Kansas would be in a stand-bye waiting for room status. So the Big 12 continues to limp through the motions. If the Big 12 survives, it will be more of a Central/Mountain time zone conference.

The real changes will be the borders between the B1G and the SEC. With the ACC finally getting a network deal (Of sorts), and their play on the field improving, their position has improved dramatically. The SEC may have to consider to expand with non P5 teams unless they are looking to double down on Oklahoma and Oklahoma State (which they aren't). So perhaps they move into near by large markets. Say Dallas-Fort Worth and Tampa, who knows but if they do drop Vanderbilt and Missouri, that gives them two more slots in which they could move into North Carolina and Virginia. Charlotte and Norfolk are nice metros, just saying.

I've heard there was much complaining about the eastern push by the western B1G members so, I'm thinking they will look to shore up the central portion of the conference with their final 2 schools. Possibly Vanderbilt and Missouri (Yes I now that's wild speculation).

The ACC may look to consolidate their connection with Notre Dame. Any expansion they have will more then likely include Cincinnati with either Navy or UConn.

the PAC is in a terrible spot and can only move in one direction, east. They need to move into Texas. That's the only move that makes sense for them.

I truly believe that USF's best chance at a Power Conference is with the SEC. So we need to win big for a couple years, increase our fan base and donor base as well as our National Perception. Not impossible but, difficult to say the least.

I've read some crazy logic on TBP before, but 

[Azmodi]

Yes I'm completely certifiable. I except the criticism and will point out that no one expected Rutgers and Maryland to head off to the B1G but, they did. Most of the recent moves were about expanding the markets within the individual conferences. That's all I'm saying.

Well that and not to look for an invite form the Big 12 or the ACC anytime soon.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Azmodi

[tampatony]

If SEC expands it'll be into big 12 or ACC.. Issue with ACC is their GOA. Not sure if a school can get around it. I think if they were to grab a Florida school it more than likely would be Miami. Small private school like Vanderbilt but in a large mostly untapped market. Although they have had past success, they have basically reached their ceiling and  they are not as scary to UofF as FSU is. SEC doesn't need to expand though due to their SEC Network, they get as much if not more than the Big10 and are basically Mexican Cartels at this point with money overflowing all over the place. They are probably burying in plastic bags under the training fields at this point.  

Edited January 4, 2017 by tampatony

[charsibb]

4 hours ago, brybull1970 said:

This is how I think expansion likely shakes out in the next 8-10 years:

1. The SEC and the Big Ten are the first to act:

• North Carolina to the SEC - this was close to happening in 2013 and creates a new and continuous geography that the SEC wants
• Texas - with no schools in attractive geographies the SEC doubles down on the state of Texas and lands the biggest available fish
• Kansas - with the Big 12 quickly dissolving the Big Ten lands another AAU school with an elite basketball tradition that borders member Nebraska
• Virginia - the Big 10 lands another AAU schools continuing to bridge their geography to the east coast

2. The Pac-12 moves to pull in a  modified version of what nearly happened five years ago with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor. Baylor may be the outlier here but has the edge over the remaining California state schools where there would be significant pressure from the California state legislature for the Big 4 in California to support.

3. Left damaged, the ACC moves to add 4 to round out to 16 and 64 overall for the P5:

• West Virginia - long looked down on by the ACC they are the best of the remaining options
• UConn - the ACC overlooks the football program, embraces the basketball programs and now has a Big Ten counter to Rutgers in the NYC market
• Cincinnati - the ACC bridges the gap to Louisville by taking on another former Big East football school
• Notre Dame - ACC forces Notre Dame into joining or goes with the best of what's left (USF, UCF)

 

 

This makes a lot of sense, except for BC. If the ACC gets raided and loses UNC and UVA,they'll probably drop BC at the same time they bring in replacements. So there should be room for one more. Hopefully it;s USF not UCF, but TCU would be a real possibility for them to open the door to Texas. You KNOW they saw what happened to SEC recruiting after adding aTm

 

[MMW]

2 minutes ago, charsibb said:

This makes a lot of sense, except for BC. If the ACC gets raided and loses UNC and UVA,they'll probably drop BC at the same time they bring in replacements. So there should be room for one more. Hopefully it;s USF not UCF, but TCU would be a real possibility for them to open the door to Texas. You KNOW they saw what happened to SEC recruiting after adding aTm

 

Why BC?

[charsibb]

7 hours ago, MMW said:

Why BC?

cause they suck in every way and don't even bring their home market

 

[bulls phanatic]

http://gridironnow.com/big-12-expansion-talk-two-possible-scenarios/

 

Big 12 expansion is truly immortal.

 

 

The league elected to stay at 10 members back in October, disappointing the 20-plus candidates who signed up for a misguided, three-month beauty pageant in which no one was crowned the victor.

It was clear, however, that even if the Big 12 was done actively exploring expansion, the conversation and speculation would continue in some form as long as the league retained its status as the smallest Power 5 conference.

The Big 12 would expand if it had a suitable candidate. For now, it doesn’t, but nobody is more equipped to ignite an expansion discussion than Texas’ athletic director.

For now, that’s Mike Perrin, who told the Austin American-Statesman he “wouldn’t be surprised to see something happen” in Big 12 expansion before his tenure is up in August 2018.

That makes one of us, but “something happen” could mean anything from the Big 12 actually extending an invite to revisiting an exploration of future membership.

Either way, it’s worth discussing: What could be the next step for the Big 12?

Two scenarios stand out.

The first is a waiting game for the Big 12.

Earlier this month, the SEC announced it would be distributing a whopping $40 million per member. Exact comparisons get a bit sticky, but the Pac-12’s members can expect to receive somewhere around $27 million in conference revenue for the 2015-16 school year.

The Big Ten is expected to be somewhere in the ballpark of $35 million, but will see a significant uptick once the $2.64 billion Tier 1 deal it signed with ESPN activates.

Last June, the Big 12 announced it had distributed $30.4 million to its 10 members.

 

 

It’s hard to categorize the Pac-12 Network, which is still struggling for widespread distribution, as anything other than disappointing. It hasn’t been the cash cow or the symbol of prestige that the Big Ten Network and SEC Network have become.

If the Big 12 continues to prove it will be closer to the Big Ten and SEC in revenue, it gains a foothold in convincing Pac-12 members to make a cash grab. That’s what realignment decisions are. Arizona and Arizona State have only been Pac-12 members since 1978.

The Big 12 has enjoyed a relatively calm period of stability since Texas A&M and Missouri left, and no longer faces annual questions in the offseason about conference implosion, even if Texas and Oklahoma remaining in the league isn’t a given. Still, bringing in two Power 5 programs would further cement the league’s future.

If there’s a “wow” move to be made for the Big 12 in expansion, that’s the one.

This summer, the Big 12 figured out what most of its members already knew: None of the Group of Five candidates made sense as members. In two-to-three years, maybe that changes. TCU quite literally won its way into the Big 12, and though Houston’s candidacy met resistance from league members outside Texas, the Cougars’ run under Tom Herman in just over a season fashioned them into a more attractive candidate than ever.

 

Is it that unrealistic to wonder if another school with a new-ish face on the sidelines– hey there, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF or USF– got on a run, it could be viewed very differently if the league revisited the expansion conversation?

The league’s recruiting and NFL talent production is down as the Texas talent pool gets more crowded. Adding a new territory — like Florida — would be welcomed for coaches and could only help the financial bottom line.

For now, there’s no real movement for the Big 12 in expansion, but for the dreamers out there who’ll never stop talking about it, there’s plenty to examine on the horizon. And one could look to the east or west to see it.

[BDYZR]

B12 was guaranteed money if they expanded. I don't know if that has changed, but

 ESPN’s business model is funded by a $7 per month per subscriber fee charged to each cable and satellite provider, a cost which providers then pass along to consumers. But, as we know, cable subscriptions are dropping — 40 percent of millennials do not have cable — and, as a result, ESPN subscriptions are dropping by about 300,000 per month (other networks are also losing subscribers; they just don’t have as many subscribers to lose). 

Now, I don't know the business models for YouTube, Hulu, Twitter, etc. but can ESPN continue with the billion dollar contracts? 

[MMW]

23 minutes ago, BDYZR said:

B12 was guaranteed money if they expanded. I don't know if that has changed, but

 ESPN’s business model is funded by a $7 per month per subscriber fee charged to each cable and satellite provider, a cost which providers then pass along to consumers. But, as we know, cable subscriptions are dropping — 40 percent of millennials do not have cable — and, as a result, ESPN subscriptions are dropping by about 300,000 per month (other networks are also losing subscribers; they just don’t have as many subscribers to lose). 

Now, I don't know the business models for YouTube, Hulu, Twitter, etc. but can ESPN continue with the billion dollar contracts? 

How is USF position if the college football bubble burst?  Are we overextended financially like, say Houston?

[206BULL]

19 minutes ago, MMW said:

How is USF position if the college football bubble burst?  Are we overextended financially like, say Houston?

Not as badly however years 3 and 4 under Coach Strong could become interesting. That Big East buyout money has helped as has not going all in on an OCS despite many here's hopes and dreams.