So, how many conservatives

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3 hours ago, CousinRicky said:

Wasn't there a court ruling that corporations are persons.  May have been Hobby Lobby or whatever company's right to not serve gays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
 

The day democracy died in America 

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8 hours ago, Friscobull said:

Private companies are not publicly traded, so dividends are not the priority however both public and private companies main motive is profit.  To be profitable you need good people and to acquire good people you need to pay them.  The government has no incentive to be efficient and productive because they have no fear of going out of business.  The private sector needs to continue to improve in order to survive which is the reason they are so much better in literally everything compared to the government.

Except regulating themselves to prevent the detriment of public resources.

[CousinRicky]

So, this is a bit off point but not sure there is any main topic right now.  I once heard a very interesting idea about lawmakers making tax law. They write laws that benefit themselves (the rich).  It would be like letting gamblers set the rules for games in casinos.  Imagine that you could make blackjack pay 5 to 1.  Or set the pay tables on slots to pay back 102%.  The game is rigged by the people making the rules and the rich get richer.  

I was brought up in a conservative house. First election I remember, my father had an "Elect AuH20" bumper sticker.  But yet my father was happy to pay his taxes because that meant he was making some money (he was a mailman so it wasn't a lot of money).  You can see why I'm conflicted on things. Always blame the parents.

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19 hours ago, Brad said:

But they don't.  Daily they rage about wealthy people (>250K, although the politicians are on the high side of that group), corporations (that employ people and create goods for society). Rage against the tax base and the employers.  Liberal identity politics often looks like care for the poor and downtrodden, but it's typically in exchange for a vote.  Hence the middle class shrinking under the last liberal president.  Less well-to-do and more dependents that think the Libs are on their side.  They're not.  They're on the side as the Repubs - the politicrat side.  

 

Most liberals do not rage against wealthy people in fact many liberals are in fact wealthy , corporations do in fact employ people and create goods     but only with help from government ( roads, infrastructure, law enforcement , fire departments , loans for R&D , to name a few ) . They do think corporations should pay more taxes ( some pay none ) Caring for the poor and the weakest among us is certainly a trait of liberals,  but to think     it's in exchange for their vote is absurd.  The reason the middle class shrunk was due to a recession caused by a republican president ( which.       always seems to happen during republican administrations.) The less well to do do depend more on liberals for help because without them there would be no help. Liberals could  solve most of the problems in society if conservatives would get the hell out of the way . By the way trumpism is not a conservative ideal  but a cult of personality which inspires those that.  don't see the idea of being the melting pot of the world as a great advantage to us all. Amen.

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12 hours ago, Fold FB Invest in BB said:

The middle class has been shrinking since Reagan. It has more to do with globalization and the transition form the CEOs of the 50s and 60s who had responsibilities to labor and government to the profit over everything system we have now. It was a balance. Now the only responsibility is to the value of a share. Period. Anything the CEO does is to make profit, and this certainly includes lobbying lawmakers and policy writers. If not he’s not doing his job. All of this profit maximization, has caused a whole array of social problems for the general public including the very employees of these corporations, which certainly doesn’t help grow the middle class. 

There is only one entity I can think of that can step in and correct this and it is not the “free market”. Unfortunately, corporations have been granted personhood by the Supreme Court and now have the same rights as you and I. Until that is rectified, I see no end to our current predicament. Money talks, ******** walks and they got a lot more of it.

Truth.

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12 hours ago, Fold FB Invest in BB said:

The middle class has been shrinking since Reagan. It has more to do with globalization and the transition form the CEOs of the 50s and 60s who had responsibilities to labor and government to the profit over everything system we have now.

And we certainly had a President whose actions supported his strong perspective of globalism.  And now we have one that does not.  Federal government can influence in many ways, not necessarily only direct intervention and absolute control.

[Brad]

I think the anti-corporatists should stop taking donations from corporations.  That hypocrisy continues on.  

There are some interesting opinions along with some rinse and repeat talking points about corporations in this thread.  It's interesting to read different thoughts including those that demonize the entity that fuels the market that has resulted in the greatest innovations known to man.

But, we have to have a bad guy.  We always do.

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12 hours ago, Fold FB Invest in BB said:

The middle class has been shrinking since Reagan. It has more to do with globalization and the transition form the CEOs of the 50s and 60s who had responsibilities to labor and government to the profit over everything system we have now. It was a balance. Now the only responsibility is to the value of a share. Period. Anything the CEO does is to make profit, and this certainly includes lobbying lawmakers and policy writers. If not he’s not doing his job. All of this profit maximization, has caused a whole array of social problems for the general public including the very employees of these corporations, which certainly doesn’t help grow the middle class. 

There is only one entity I can think of that can step in and correct this and it is not the “free market”. Unfortunately, corporations have been granted personhood by the Supreme Court and now have the same rights as you and I. Until that is rectified, I see no end to our current predicament. Money talks, ******** walks and they got a lot more of it.

If cooperations want to identify as people I  don’t see how any of us non cooperations can tell them how to live their journey. They way some of you choose to “other” people just because they are different is truly upsetting and really doesn’t take into account how that must make the cooperations feel.

[Triple B]

All kinds of diverse opinions swirling around here so just wanted to clarify that I'm not against corporations or anti-capitalism but do think, like CR already pointed out, that there are things for the good of the "common man" that government needs to be involved in that business, as a whole, had historically shown to apparently  think is not in their best interest. Government itself has had to adjust towards those ends, also ....

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56 minutes ago, Brad said:

I think the anti-corporatists should stop taking donations from corporations.  That hypocrisy continues on.  

There are some interesting opinions along with some rinse and repeat talking points about corporations in this thread.  It's interesting to read different thoughts including those that demonize the entity that fuels the market that has resulted in the greatest innovations known to man.

But, we have to have a bad guy.  We always do.

I don’t think anybody is demonizing the NIH or NASA here, unless I’m misreading you

It does pose a dilemma for me personally. I own stock and I sure as hell hope somebody is looking for maximum value, but at the same time, I realize that it comes at a cost. All I’m suggesting is more balance and regulation.