Tom Brady

[Leviathan]

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure most people that have brought up the deflating of the balls don't believe that is the reason why they beat the Colts. It's just pointing out that they are still trying to undermine the rules of the game to get a competitive advantage, which is something they have been proven to do before on several occasions...

 

 

Even if they did deflate the balls Goodell will just destroy the evidence, anyway. 

My point is that it is a joke "charge," it seems like people are just trying to come up with any excuse to say the Patriots are cheating. 

 

I personally think its HIGHLY suspect that the origin of this claim comes from the Indy player who caught the interception and then brought it over to his sideline for the coaches to look at since he felt like it was somewhat deflated. For two reasons:

1) I trust officials to have a better feel of a ball (who are constantly having to place it on the field) than a linebacker who barely ever touches the ball. I would think the official would notice if it felt deflated.

2) It was on the Colts sideline for who knows how long before it was even brought to the officials, who knows if THEY tampered with it.

 

Also, name the "several" other occasions please. As far as I know there is the one "spygate," which has been a practice many teams followed but one got busted for. If you are using that article that was earlier posted, then it's a joke because I saw no sources as to where he got that information. There were no official investigations into those claims. 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/19/spikes-talib-say-patriots-file-false-injury-reports/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/nflpa-grievance-new-england-patriots-doctor-put-team-ahead-of-patient/2014/12/11/cfae238e-814a-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html

 

Please post proof that any other teams were doing spy gate activities. There was video evidence of what NE was doing and the commissioner destroyed those tapes so no one could see how egregious the violation actually was. It wouldn't look good for the league if it was revealed that a team systematically cheated their opponents for years. 

 

You got it:

 

2006 Dolphins - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

2007 Jets - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

2010 Broncos - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c7301a/article/tape-of-49ers-practice-draws-50k-fines-for-broncos-mcdaniels

2011 Jets - http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/

 

Also, you are purely speculating as to the reasoning of him destroying it. You can make an argument that the league is trying to bring down the Patriots to encourage more parity. Especially considering how harshly the Patriots were treated compared to the above teams. Here's an interesting read if you have the time: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity

 

I hope you realize that the only one of those that was illegal conduct was Denver 2010, by none other than Josh McDaniels. The same Josh McDaniels that as an assistant that learned from Belicheat, and is now back with the patriots.

 

Also the 2007 Jets, while not illegal and different from filming on the sideline, happened under another coach who worked under Belicheat when they were winning superbowls...

[Sipher]

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure most people that have brought up the deflating of the balls don't believe that is the reason why they beat the Colts. It's just pointing out that they are still trying to undermine the rules of the game to get a competitive advantage, which is something they have been proven to do before on several occasions...

 

 

Even if they did deflate the balls Goodell will just destroy the evidence, anyway. 

My point is that it is a joke "charge," it seems like people are just trying to come up with any excuse to say the Patriots are cheating. 

 

I personally think its HIGHLY suspect that the origin of this claim comes from the Indy player who caught the interception and then brought it over to his sideline for the coaches to look at since he felt like it was somewhat deflated. For two reasons:

1) I trust officials to have a better feel of a ball (who are constantly having to place it on the field) than a linebacker who barely ever touches the ball. I would think the official would notice if it felt deflated.

2) It was on the Colts sideline for who knows how long before it was even brought to the officials, who knows if THEY tampered with it.

 

Also, name the "several" other occasions please. As far as I know there is the one "spygate," which has been a practice many teams followed but one got busted for. If you are using that article that was earlier posted, then it's a joke because I saw no sources as to where he got that information. There were no official investigations into those claims. 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/19/spikes-talib-say-patriots-file-false-injury-reports/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/nflpa-grievance-new-england-patriots-doctor-put-team-ahead-of-patient/2014/12/11/cfae238e-814a-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html

 

Please post proof that any other teams were doing spy gate activities. There was video evidence of what NE was doing and the commissioner destroyed those tapes so no one could see how egregious the violation actually was. It wouldn't look good for the league if it was revealed that a team systematically cheated their opponents for years. 

 

You got it:

 

2006 Dolphins - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

2007 Jets - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

2010 Broncos - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c7301a/article/tape-of-49ers-practice-draws-50k-fines-for-broncos-mcdaniels

2011 Jets - http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/

 

Also, you are purely speculating as to the reasoning of him destroying it. You can make an argument that the league is trying to bring down the Patriots to encourage more parity. Especially considering how harshly the Patriots were treated compared to the above teams. Here's an interesting read if you have the time: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity

 

I hope you realize that the only one of those that was illegal conduct was Denver 2010, by none other than Josh McDaniels. The same Josh McDaniels that as an assistant that learned from Belicheat, and is now back with the patriots.

 

Also the 2007 Jets, while not illegal and different from filming on the sideline, happened under another coach who worked under Belicheat when they were winning superbowls...

 

I hope you realize that the practice you call "cheating" was perfectly legal prior to 2007. It was just before the start of the 2007 season that Goodell sent out a memo to the 32 teams saying this practice wasn't allowed anymore. And guess what, it was the first week of the season they got caught continuing the practice. They stopped doing it after that.

 

Prior to the "spygate" scandal, the Pats had a 53% winning percentage, and after that it is about 77%. Sorry, bud, it had nothing to do with winning superbowls.

 

And all of those articles are "spying." EVERY team does what they can to get an edge (just like every corporation). And if you don't see that, then you are surprisingly naive, and you sound like you are being puposefully so just because of the name "Belichick". I get it, he's an abrasive guy, you wanna hate.

 

It's pretty dang funny the Patriots are still getting grief over this. Meanwhile, the Saints had the scandal with TARGETTING players and having a hit system. That is far worse than any "spying" in my opinion.

 

Also, go ahead and do your own research about other teams cheating. I just pulled up those articles of 2 minutes of googling.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Sipher

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I'm pretty sure most people that have brought up the deflating of the balls don't believe that is the reason why they beat the Colts. It's just pointing out that they are still trying to undermine the rules of the game to get a competitive advantage, which is something they have been proven to do before on several occasions...

 

 

Even if they did deflate the balls Goodell will just destroy the evidence, anyway. 

My point is that it is a joke "charge," it seems like people are just trying to come up with any excuse to say the Patriots are cheating. 

 

I personally think its HIGHLY suspect that the origin of this claim comes from the Indy player who caught the interception and then brought it over to his sideline for the coaches to look at since he felt like it was somewhat deflated. For two reasons:

1) I trust officials to have a better feel of a ball (who are constantly having to place it on the field) than a linebacker who barely ever touches the ball. I would think the official would notice if it felt deflated.

2) It was on the Colts sideline for who knows how long before it was even brought to the officials, who knows if THEY tampered with it.

 

Also, name the "several" other occasions please. As far as I know there is the one "spygate," which has been a practice many teams followed but one got busted for. If you are using that article that was earlier posted, then it's a joke because I saw no sources as to where he got that information. There were no official investigations into those claims. 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/19/spikes-talib-say-patriots-file-false-injury-reports/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/nflpa-grievance-new-england-patriots-doctor-put-team-ahead-of-patient/2014/12/11/cfae238e-814a-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html

 

Please post proof that any other teams were doing spy gate activities. There was video evidence of what NE was doing and the commissioner destroyed those tapes so no one could see how egregious the violation actually was. It wouldn't look good for the league if it was revealed that a team systematically cheated their opponents for years. 

 

You got it:

 

2006 Dolphins - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

2007 Jets - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

2010 Broncos - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c7301a/article/tape-of-49ers-practice-draws-50k-fines-for-broncos-mcdaniels

2011 Jets - http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/

 

Also, you are purely speculating as to the reasoning of him destroying it. You can make an argument that the league is trying to bring down the Patriots to encourage more parity. Especially considering how harshly the Patriots were treated compared to the above teams. Here's an interesting read if you have the time: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity

 

I hope you realize that the only one of those that was illegal conduct was Denver 2010, by none other than Josh McDaniels. The same Josh McDaniels that as an assistant that learned from Belicheat, and is now back with the patriots.

 

Also the 2007 Jets, while not illegal and different from filming on the sideline, happened under another coach who worked under Belicheat when they were winning superbowls...

 

I hope you realize that the practice you call "cheating" was perfectly legal prior to 2007. It was just before the start of the 2007 season that Goodell sent out a memo to the 32 teams saying this practice wasn't allowed anymore. And guess what, it was the first week of the season they got caught continuing the practice. They stopped doing it after that.

 

Prior to the "spygate" scandal, the Pats had a 53% winning percentage, and after that it is about 77%. Sorry, bud, it had nothing to do with winning superbowls.

 

And all of those articles are "spying." EVERY team does what they can to get an edge (just like every corporation). And if you don't see that, then you are surprisingly naive, and you sound like you are being puposefully so just because of the name "Belichick". I get it, he's an abrasive guy, you wanna hate.

 

It's pretty dang funny the Patriots are still getting grief over this. Meanwhile, the Saints had the scandal with TARGETTING players and having a hit system. That is far worse than any "spying" in my opinion.

 

Also, go ahead and do your own research about other teams cheating. I just pulled up those articles of 2 minutes of googling.

 

[Leviathan]

[Leviathan]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure most people that have brought up the deflating of the balls don't believe that is the reason why they beat the Colts. It's just pointing out that they are still trying to undermine the rules of the game to get a competitive advantage, which is something they have been proven to do before on several occasions...

 

 

Even if they did deflate the balls Goodell will just destroy the evidence, anyway. 

My point is that it is a joke "charge," it seems like people are just trying to come up with any excuse to say the Patriots are cheating. 

 

I personally think its HIGHLY suspect that the origin of this claim comes from the Indy player who caught the interception and then brought it over to his sideline for the coaches to look at since he felt like it was somewhat deflated. For two reasons:

1) I trust officials to have a better feel of a ball (who are constantly having to place it on the field) than a linebacker who barely ever touches the ball. I would think the official would notice if it felt deflated.

2) It was on the Colts sideline for who knows how long before it was even brought to the officials, who knows if THEY tampered with it.

 

Also, name the "several" other occasions please. As far as I know there is the one "spygate," which has been a practice many teams followed but one got busted for. If you are using that article that was earlier posted, then it's a joke because I saw no sources as to where he got that information. There were no official investigations into those claims. 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/19/spikes-talib-say-patriots-file-false-injury-reports/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/nflpa-grievance-new-england-patriots-doctor-put-team-ahead-of-patient/2014/12/11/cfae238e-814a-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html

 

Please post proof that any other teams were doing spy gate activities. There was video evidence of what NE was doing and the commissioner destroyed those tapes so no one could see how egregious the violation actually was. It wouldn't look good for the league if it was revealed that a team systematically cheated their opponents for years. 

 

You got it:

 

2006 Dolphins - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

2007 Jets - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

2010 Broncos - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c7301a/article/tape-of-49ers-practice-draws-50k-fines-for-broncos-mcdaniels

2011 Jets - http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/

 

Also, you are purely speculating as to the reasoning of him destroying it. You can make an argument that the league is trying to bring down the Patriots to encourage more parity. Especially considering how harshly the Patriots were treated compared to the above teams. Here's an interesting read if you have the time: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity

 

I hope you realize that the only one of those that was illegal conduct was Denver 2010, by none other than Josh McDaniels. The same Josh McDaniels that as an assistant that learned from Belicheat, and is now back with the patriots.

 

Also the 2007 Jets, while not illegal and different from filming on the sideline, happened under another coach who worked under Belicheat when they were winning superbowls...

 

I hope you realize that the practice you call "cheating" was perfectly legal prior to 2007. It was just before the start of the 2007 season that Goodell sent out a memo to the 32 teams saying this practice wasn't allowed anymore. And guess what, it was the first week of the season they got caught continuing the practice. They stopped doing it after that.

 

Prior to the "spygate" scandal, the Pats had a 53% winning percentage, and after that it is about 77%. Sorry, bud, it had nothing to do with winning superbowls.

 

And all of those articles are "spying." EVERY team does what they can to get an edge (just like every corporation). And if you don't see that, then you are surprisingly naive, and you sound like you are being puposefully so just because of the name "Belichick". I get it, he's an abrasive guy, you wanna hate.

 

It's pretty dang funny the Patriots are still getting grief over this. Meanwhile, the Saints had the scandal with TARGETTING players and having a hit system. That is far worse than any "spying" in my opinion.

 

Also, go ahead and do your own research about other teams cheating. I just pulled up those articles of 2 minutes of googling.

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

[JTrue]

Who gives a ****? I spent less time picking an oncologist than you have worrying about 1 psi in a football.

[Leviathan]

[Leviathan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T471bDQtT0

[charsibb]

If it makes life so much easier, why not underinflate ALL of them???

[Leviathan]

If it makes life so much easier, why not underinflate ALL of them???

The one that wasn't under inflated was the kicking ball. You want that one to be fully inflated.