Taggart on the hot seat?

[Brad]

[slick1ru2]

 

 'Boy'? 'Blind'?

[hbryan]

Are you guys really trying to use the "lack of talent" excuse?? Our guys right now are more "talented" than players we fielded in the past.

 

Talent is NOT the issue. Hell, we used to do much more with less! The only glaring issue that I can see is HUNGER. Our guys just don't want it as much. 

 

Correct, we have neutered Bulls!!  A coach can help them find their balls, but if there exists rules and regulations on how to coach from the administration or if the coach needs more time to get through to the ones still here, then it might never happen or just take longer, respectively.  I wish I knew more about the issues related to this glaring lack of fire in players. It is something we really didn't see when Leavitt coached.  I guess we might want to ask the "Most Important Man in the Building", Doug Woolard.

[slick1ru2]

 

Are you guys really trying to use the "lack of talent" excuse?? Our guys right now are more "talented" than players we fielded in the past.

 

Talent is NOT the issue. Hell, we used to do much more with less! The only glaring issue that I can see is HUNGER. Our guys just don't want it as much. 

 

Correct, we have neutered Bulls!!  A coach can help them find their balls, but if there exists rules and regulations on how to coach from the administration or if the coach needs more time to get through to the ones still here, then it might never happen or just take longer, respectively.  I wish I knew more about the issues related to this glaring lack of fire in players. It is something we really didn't see when Leavitt coached.  I guess we might want to ask the "Most Important Man in the Building", Doug Woolard.

 

 

 

So let's review. CWT arrives at WKU which had zero wins the previous season and 2 the one before. And his first year at WKU he gets two wins and loses to FAU by 1 point.  Who thinks this team has less talent than WKU in 2010? The two wins, btw, were against FCS teams. I doubt that anything Holtz did was worse than what happened to that team that was 2-20 over the previous two seasons.  I'd stop blaming previous coaches or talent. I have yet to see anyone on staff or at the school use that excuse.

[TrujilloBull2013]

judging by this thread, people seem to lack the basic understanding that "talent" is not some vague, amorphous concept and that fielding a "talented team" merely requires having a few 4 star recruits at random positions on the roster.

 

a TALENTED TEAM is more than that.

 

1. the talent must be at KEY positions, none of which is more important than the offensive line. a HORRIBLE OLine-- and USF's is as bad as it gets in not merely FBS, but most of D1 football-- causes a domino effect: ineffective passing game which makes the offense one-dimensional and dependent on the run, which is easier to stop without a pass threat. without an OLine the offense can't sustain drives, which impacts the defense as they are forced to stay on the field longer while carrying a heavier burden.

 

to use a simple formula: BAD OLINE = NO PASS GAME = STIFLED RUN GAME = UNSUSTAINED DRIVES ON OFFENSE = EXTRA TIME/BURDEN FOR DEFENSE = FATIGUED DEFENSE BY THE 3RD QUARTER = DISASTER ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. wash, rinse, repeat.

 

2. talent is not merely having a few playmakers at key positions. it's not just having a stud QB (which we had last season and only won 3 games), a couple highly touted skill players on both sides of the ball (so much for Davis, Welch on offense... DeDe and Joyce can't do it all on D), it is also about DEPTH. can anyone here honestly say this squad has ANY type of depth whatsoever? clearly there is no depth on the OLine, there is no depth whatsoever at QB (2 walk-ons and a transfer who are still battling for the starting job 3 weeks in), and as touted as some of our receivers have been, they have yet to show up in a single game. part of that is due to the OL and QB situations.

 

3. the TALENT MUST FIT THE SCHEME. if u have a slow quarterback, u can't run the spread option. if u have an undersized OLine, your power run game is going to suffer. CLEARLY the talent this team DOES have is either unsuited or lacks the training to run the offense Taggart is trying to implement. some of these players have seen 3 head coaches, all of whom oversaw different offensive and defensive schemes. venture to say none of them learned any of these schemes very well, and some of these schemes (especially the offense and defense under Holtz' regime) weren't worth learning in the first place and were probably poorly taught to begin with.

 

i've read several people use the "well if Taggart were a good coach he would taylor his schemes to their strengths"... this is asinine. Taggart is working with many of Holtz' (and Leavitt's) players who are unsuited for his schemes. adjusting to suit the holdovers now for the sake of winning maybe 2 or 3 games this season sacrifices an entire year of development under Taggart's schemes for the young players who are still learning. that is why it is called REBUILDING.

 

every player with talent can't simply be plugged into any and every scheme and still be productive. Taggart is doing the right thing by taking the hard lumps now and teaching his scheme rather than delaying the travesty by working with what little talent he has that will be graduating by the end of this season or next.

 

TALENT is more than just stars on Scout or Rivals. there is more to it than that.

[hbryan]

 

 

Are you guys really trying to use the "lack of talent" excuse?? Our guys right now are more "talented" than players we fielded in the past.

 

Talent is NOT the issue. Hell, we used to do much more with less! The only glaring issue that I can see is HUNGER. Our guys just don't want it as much. 

 

Correct, we have neutered Bulls!!  A coach can help them find their balls, but if there exists rules and regulations on how to coach from the administration or if the coach needs more time to get through to the ones still here, then it might never happen or just take longer, respectively.  I wish I knew more about the issues related to this glaring lack of fire in players. It is something we really didn't see when Leavitt coached.  I guess we might want to ask the "Most Important Man in the Building", Doug Woolard.

 

 

 

So let's review. CWT arrives at WKU which had zero wins the previous season and 2 the one before. And his first year at WKU he gets two wins and loses to FAU by 1 point.  Who thinks this team has less talent than WKU in 2010? The two wins, btw, were against FCS teams. I doubt that anything Holtz did was worse than what happened to that team that was 2-20 over the previous two seasons.  I'd stop blaming previous coaches or talent. I have yet to see anyone on staff or at the school use that excuse.

 

 

I'm not blaming previous coaches or talent, where do you arrive at that conclusion from my post?  If anything, I'm blaming the guy who maintains "institutional control" over ALL athletic programs at USF and who, to date, has NEVER been held accountable for anything except......."hey, we have some new on campus facilities".  As a leader, the AD is the guy ultimately in charge.  Paul Griffin certainly knew and unfortunately died by that sword, LRS knew it, but Woolard is held to a much lesser standard than his predecessors, WHY???????

[slick1ru2]

That's a nice speech but you can be the most talented, fit into the scheme player that CWT wants but if you don't play like you know the fundamentals of football,like secure the ball, know the snap count, etc.. it don't mean JACK. A lot of problems with this team is a LACK of attention on FUNDAMENTALS and that FALLS ON COACHING to fix, THIS YEAR just like it did when Holtz began losing.

[slick1ru2]

 

 

 

Are you guys really trying to use the "lack of talent" excuse?? Our guys right now are more "talented" than players we fielded in the past.

 

Talent is NOT the issue. Hell, we used to do much more with less! The only glaring issue that I can see is HUNGER. Our guys just don't want it as much. 

 

Correct, we have neutered Bulls!!  A coach can help them find their balls, but if there exists rules and regulations on how to coach from the administration or if the coach needs more time to get through to the ones still here, then it might never happen or just take longer, respectively.  I wish I knew more about the issues related to this glaring lack of fire in players. It is something we really didn't see when Leavitt coached.  I guess we might want to ask the "Most Important Man in the Building", Doug Woolard.

 

 

 

So let's review. CWT arrives at WKU which had zero wins the previous season and 2 the one before. And his first year at WKU he gets two wins and loses to FAU by 1 point.  Who thinks this team has less talent than WKU in 2010? The two wins, btw, were against FCS teams. I doubt that anything Holtz did was worse than what happened to that team that was 2-20 over the previous two seasons.  I'd stop blaming previous coaches or talent. I have yet to see anyone on staff or at the school use that excuse.

 

 

I'm not blaming previous coaches or talent, where do you arrive at that conclusion from my post?  If anything, I'm blaming the guy who maintains "institutional control" over ALL athletic programs at USF and who, to date, has NEVER been held accountable for anything except......."hey, we have some new on campus facilities".  As a leader, the AD is the guy ultimately in charge.  Paul Griffin certainly knew and unfortunately died by that sword, LRS knew it, but Woolard is held to a much lesser standard than his predecessors, WHY???????

 

 

 

Yeah, well the AD isn't on the field teaching ball security and how to not jump the snap count, he's trying to figure out how to pay for equipment and every thing else that ADs do to make sure the tools are there for the coaches and players to be successful. Go and look at the list of the top ADs. More than one is noted FOR LETTING THE COACHES COACH and not get involved.

[Danm1983]

we still get to play memphis and uconn...."so I'm saying there's a chance"

 

Coach definitely not on the hot seat. USF fans are in uncharted rock bottom territory. They've never had to experience these lows, never had to experience rebuilding. This is probably the worst case scenario of rebuilding right now, but it is rebuilding. Defense looks to be slowly making progress. Breakdowns happen, but overall have seen them play a bit better since week 1. Offense hasn't hit its stride yet, but it's really not going to this year with that O-line personnel. Bench does look to be a "savior" of sorts, as he at least has some upside to him, and some mobility.

 

I have to use the Kragthorpe model. Louisville was team toilet for 3 years. Strong got there and had a rough first season with a bare cupboard, but turned it around with some good recruiting and patience. Give Willie a year to recruit, and get things in order. A year of experience and a good/lucky/whatever you wanna call it recruit could exponentially turn things around. It's going to be rough, but it honestly can't get much worse (short of ridiculous things like dropping conferences or to FCS or shutting down or something).

[TrujilloBull2013]

 that FALLS ON COACHING to fix, THIS YEAR 

 

would u like  fries with that "fast food mentality" ?