Holtz on the Hooter Hotline this AM

[Mike Stuben]

BJ was a big part of our team, but that does not give a coach a pass. I remember when we lost the all time Big East QB combined yardage leader to a career ending injury (career meaning college career) and we had a pretty big game next on our schedule. Anyone remember how that turned out?

[snarling Bull]

We had a coach that could motivate his team back then and didn't make excuses

[Bull94]

A. Woulard is Skips saving grace.

We need DB's and a pass rush more than we need a QB at this point. We should have taken a 3 star QB every year skip was here. Brion Carnes should have been the first (not to mention we might have gotten Ace Sanders with him).

Too pile on to Skip's inept QB recruiting. We had a guy that could have probably helped immensely with inroads at Armwood and the surrounding area that Skip flat out refused to give a QB shot to in Josh Grady. Eventually Grady went to Vandy b/c they gave him a shot at QB and guess what? Grady is a WR at Vandy. Skip is a complete fool to not give Grady a legit shot at QB and transition him to Safety after his redshirt year.

i've wondered if Grady would have signed here if Skip would have just given him a shot at QB. What would it have hurt?

Skip took the high road and was honest with the young man that we wouldn't be a QB at USF. Vandy gave him a shot at QB knowing full well they wanted him at WR. It's a win-win situation that Skip totally screwed up at. So you bring Grady in at QB. What's the worst that can happen? He actually makes a successful back-up QB with a chance to play QB down the line; or he gets converted to where you want him and he slides in at safety a year later.

Looking at the team right now we can use both a QB and DB's. It's just another poor decision by Skip.

it actually would have established a better recruiting in at armwood as well. same when he pulled Carnes offer. it burnt a bridge at manatee bradenton. they are the #1 football program in the country and we haven't signed anyone from there under holtz.. scholarships aren't gold. sure these guys may not have been his type of qb but give them a chance to compete. that looks good to some high school coaches at the best programs in the area.

How many did we sign before Holtz? Kinnan was one of the finalists along with Leavitt for the head coaching position here ... Doubt if being spurned for the job was a real bridge builder between us.

we had a few. same with armwood. now we don't get any. that coach was livid with skip when he pulled Carnes' offer. he actually used his scholarship on Gumby. we got great value there. for the price of one lousy scholarship , he burnt the relationship with one of the best high schools in the area.

Who have we gotten out Manatee? .... And if Carnes had really wanted to come here, he would have. Wasn't that Skip's first year?

leavitt got a couple and had established a relationship. it was skip's first year and skip pulled the offer. funny but woulard is doing the same thing by taking visits while committed and we haven't heard skip pull his offer. one lousy scholarship and he could have established a relationship with the #1 high school in the country. instead it went to Gumby. here is an article that says skip is missing out on area talent.

http://tombalog.blogs.heraldtribune.com/10459/usf-missing-out-on-area-talent/

Edited November 27, 2012 by Bull94

[Triple B]

leavitt got a couple and had established a relationship. it was skip's first year and skip pulled the offer. funny but woulard is doing the same thing by taking visits while committed and we haven't heard skip pull his offer.

Wasn't Skip hired in January? Isn't Signing Day the first part of February? You honestly can't see the difference in the two situations??

one lousy scholarship and he could have established a relationship with the #1 high school in the country.

LOL, you're so dramatic. All that's IF he came.... a big IF. He was wavering when Leavitt was fired, looking at two other programs ... one coached by a Manatee alum, the other an historical program where his cousin, another Kinnan player, has his jersey retired. Are you that naively stupid to think we actually still had a legit shot at him? Holtz had to make a decision in a short amount of time and he made the one that made most sense at the time.... it would have been nice, though, if Gumby hadn't been a stiff

here is an article that says skip is missing out on area talent.

http://tombalog.blog...n-area-talent/

We've been missing out on local area talent since we started up .... Have you been in a coma?

I'm not saying that Skip has set the world on fire with recruiting but this idiocy you keep repeating about him missing out on a relationship with the #1 high school in the country is just another one of your Twisted Fairy Tales ...

[2000bull]

A. Woulard is Skips saving grace.

We need DB's and a pass rush more than we need a QB at this point. We should have taken a 3 star QB every year skip was here. Brion Carnes should have been the first (not to mention we might have gotten Ace Sanders with him).

Too pile on to Skip's inept QB recruiting. We had a guy that could have probably helped immensely with inroads at Armwood and the surrounding area that Skip flat out refused to give a QB shot to in Josh Grady. Eventually Grady went to Vandy b/c they gave him a shot at QB and guess what? Grady is a WR at Vandy. Skip is a complete fool to not give Grady a legit shot at QB and transition him to Safety after his redshirt year.

i've wondered if Grady would have signed here if Skip would have just given him a shot at QB. What would it have hurt?

Skip took the high road and was honest with the young man that we wouldn't be a QB at USF. Vandy gave him a shot at QB knowing full well they wanted him at WR. It's a win-win situation that Skip totally screwed up at. So you bring Grady in at QB. What's the worst that can happen? He actually makes a successful back-up QB with a chance to play QB down the line; or he gets converted to where you want him and he slides in at safety a year later.

Looking at the team right now we can use both a QB and DB's. It's just another poor decision by Skip.

it actually would have established a better recruiting in at armwood as well. same when he pulled Carnes offer. it burnt a bridge at manatee bradenton. they are the #1 football program in the country and we haven't signed anyone from there under holtz.. scholarships aren't gold. sure these guys may not have been his type of qb but give them a chance to compete. that looks good to some high school coaches at the best programs in the area.

How many did we sign before Holtz? Kinnan was one of the finalists along with Leavitt for the head coaching position here ... Doubt if being spurned for the job was a real bridge builder between us.

we had a few. same with armwood. now we don't get any. that coach was livid with skip when he pulled Carnes' offer. he actually used his scholarship on Gumby. we got great value there. for the price of one lousy scholarship , he burnt the relationship with one of the best high schools in the area.

Who have we gotten out Manatee? .... And if Carnes had really wanted to come here, he would have. Wasn't that Skip's first year?

leavitt got a couple and had established a relationship. it was skip's first year and skip pulled the offer. funny but woulard is doing the same thing by taking visits while committed and we haven't heard skip pull his offer. one lousy scholarship and he could have established a relationship with the #1 high school in the country. instead it went to Gumby. here is an article that says skip is missing out on area talent.

http://tombalog.blog...on-area-talent/

difference is skip and staff has had time to build a relationship with AW. Like trip said, skip didn't have a lot of time with carnes. I think grady could have helped with armwood recruits, but it also doesn't help that the coach's son is at UCF.

[Bull94]

leavitt got a couple and had established a relationship. it was skip's first year and skip pulled the offer. funny but woulard is doing the same thing by taking visits while committed and we haven't heard skip pull his offer.

Wasn't Skip hired in January? Isn't Signing Day the first part of February? You honestly can't see the difference in the two situations??

one lousy scholarship and he could have established a relationship with the #1 high school in the country.

LOL, you're so dramatic. All that's IF he came.... a big IF. He was wavering when Leavitt was fired, looking at two other programs ... one coached by a Manatee alum, the other an historical program where his cousin, another Kinnan player, has his jersey retired. Are you that naively stupid to think we actually still had a legit shot at him? Holtz had to make a decision in a short amount of time and he made the one that made most sense at the time.... it would have been nice, though, if Gumby hadn't been a stiff

here is an article that says skip is missing out on area talent.

http://tombalog.blog...n-area-talent/

We've been missing out on local area talent since we started up .... Have you been in a coma?

I'm not saying that Skip has set the world on fire with recruiting but this idiocy you keep repeating about him missing out on a relationship with the #1 high school in the country is just another one of your Twisted Fairy Tales ...

so you think pulling the scholarship had

leavitt got a couple and had established a relationship. it was skip's first year and skip pulled the offer. funny but woulard is doing the same thing by taking visits while committed and we haven't heard skip pull his offer.

Wasn't Skip hired in January? Isn't Signing Day the first part of February? You honestly can't see the difference in the two situations??

one lousy scholarship and he could have established a relationship with the #1 high school in the country.

LOL, you're so dramatic. All that's IF he came.... a big IF. He was wavering when Leavitt was fired, looking at two other programs ... one coached by a Manatee alum, the other an historical program where his cousin, another Kinnan player, has his jersey retired. Are you that naively stupid to think we actually still had a legit shot at him? Holtz had to make a decision in a short amount of time and he made the one that made most sense at the time.... it would have been nice, though, if Gumby hadn't been a stiff

here is an article that says skip is missing out on area talent.

http://tombalog.blog...n-area-talent/

We've been missing out on local area talent since we started up .... Have you been in a coma?

I'm not saying that Skip has set the world on fire with recruiting but this idiocy you keep repeating about him missing out on a relationship with the #1 high school in the country is just another one of your Twisted Fairy Tales ...

it had nothing to do with IF he came. it had to do with the offer being pulled. it infuriated the coach of one of the best programs in the country. a program that is an hour away. keep the offer , sign gumby and find the spot from somewhere else. use it as a goodwill gesture. build the relationship. scholarships are so precious that we end up using several on walk-ons because we don't find enough signees.

Holtz is an awful local recruiter. this we agree on. read some of the coach's quotes after holtz pulled the offer. classless, usf will never be allowed on campus, etc.

[Bull94]

A. Woulard is Skips saving grace.

We need DB's and a pass rush more than we need a QB at this point. We should have taken a 3 star QB every year skip was here. Brion Carnes should have been the first (not to mention we might have gotten Ace Sanders with him).

Too pile on to Skip's inept QB recruiting. We had a guy that could have probably helped immensely with inroads at Armwood and the surrounding area that Skip flat out refused to give a QB shot to in Josh Grady. Eventually Grady went to Vandy b/c they gave him a shot at QB and guess what? Grady is a WR at Vandy. Skip is a complete fool to not give Grady a legit shot at QB and transition him to Safety after his redshirt year.

i've wondered if Grady would have signed here if Skip would have just given him a shot at QB. What would it have hurt?

Skip took the high road and was honest with the young man that we wouldn't be a QB at USF. Vandy gave him a shot at QB knowing full well they wanted him at WR. It's a win-win situation that Skip totally screwed up at. So you bring Grady in at QB. What's the worst that can happen? He actually makes a successful back-up QB with a chance to play QB down the line; or he gets converted to where you want him and he slides in at safety a year later.

Looking at the team right now we can use both a QB and DB's. It's just another poor decision by Skip.

it actually would have established a better recruiting in at armwood as well. same when he pulled Carnes offer. it burnt a bridge at manatee bradenton. they are the #1 football program in the country and we haven't signed anyone from there under holtz.. scholarships aren't gold. sure these guys may not have been his type of qb but give them a chance to compete. that looks good to some high school coaches at the best programs in the area.

How many did we sign before Holtz? Kinnan was one of the finalists along with Leavitt for the head coaching position here ... Doubt if being spurned for the job was a real bridge builder between us.

we had a few. same with armwood. now we don't get any. that coach was livid with skip when he pulled Carnes' offer. he actually used his scholarship on Gumby. we got great value there. for the price of one lousy scholarship , he burnt the relationship with one of the best high schools in the area.

Who have we gotten out Manatee? .... And if Carnes had really wanted to come here, he would have. Wasn't that Skip's first year?

leavitt got a couple and had established a relationship. it was skip's first year and skip pulled the offer. funny but woulard is doing the same thing by taking visits while committed and we haven't heard skip pull his offer. one lousy scholarship and he could have established a relationship with the #1 high school in the country. instead it went to Gumby. here is an article that says skip is missing out on area talent.

http://tombalog.blog...on-area-talent/

difference is skip and staff has had time to build a relationship with AW. Like trip said, skip didn't have a lot of time with carnes. I think grady could have helped with armwood recruits, but it also doesn't help that the coach's son is at UCF.

difference is scholarships aren't gold. if it's a choice between burning a bridge or keeping the offer(even if it was likely not going to be used), you keep the offer.

UCF has verbal commits from both bradenton-manatee and armwood this year. how does skip do at those schools?

[2000bull]

difference is scholarships aren't gold. if it's a choice between burning a bridge or keeping the offer(even if it was likely not going to be used), you keep the offer.

UCF has verbal commits from both bradenton-manatee and armwood this year. how does skip do at those schools?

can't disagree with that. skip has screwed up in that aspect

[snarling Bull]

Skip recruits Jesuit . Armwood and bradenton m

anatee kids go elsewhere

[Hem]

Skip recruits Jesuit . Armwood and bradenton m

anatee kids go elsewhere

Wish we had a NJ pipeline...I know some kids over the years at Middletown South (these guys win states almost every year) that were amazing. (ie: Knowshon Moreno)