Jump to content
  • USF Bulls fans join us at The Bulls Pen

    It's simple, free and connects you to other South Florida Bulls fans!

  • Members do not see this ad, Register

Schadenfreude (The UM Investigation)


Recommended Posts


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  10,367
  • Reputation:   170
  • Days Won:  40
  • Joined:  09/15/2008

HM, your scandal will continue at Thug U until this summer when the NCAA hands down its punishment.

http://bleacherrepor...-for-hurricanes

While we likely won't see a punishment handed down by the NCAA until this summer, it's really going to be interesting to see what else Shapiro has in store. It's really difficult to believe he has anything else to add that he didn't already include in a very lengthy and detailed report last year.

Regardless of how this ends up playing out, it doesn't look like this scandal is going away anytime soon.

And?

It won't really have an impact on recruiting between now and then.

And it won't really have an impact on the players we have between now and then.

The issue will be out there until the NCAA concludes. Same with North Carolina. I'm not disputing this.

But it WILL be resolved before the season, in all likelihood.

Yeah I am pretty sure you will still get all of the local Miami children out of the hood. We will continue to recruit quality young men who keep their commitments. Prime example of a program on the rise vs. one in free-fall.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 77
  • Created
  • Last Reply

  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  10,380
  • Reputation:   1,058
  • Days Won:  18
  • Joined:  08/11/2003

I'm not even completely certain about what you are trying to say, since you post a lot of sentence fragments, but I'm not protecting "what they did".

Sometimes, I'm not even certain what kinds of cogent points some of our posters are trying to say. Needless to say, Rizman has you responding quite a bit to his grammatically naive points. That's pretty funny.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Moderator
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  74,570
  • Reputation:   10,841
  • Days Won:  423
  • Joined:  11/25/2005

I'm not even completely certain about what you are trying to say, since you post a lot of sentence fragments, but I'm not protecting "what they did".

Sometimes, I'm not even certain what kinds of cogent points some of our posters are trying to say. Needless to say, Rizman has you responding quite a bit to his grammatically naive points. That's pretty funny.

"Grammatically naive" ..... very nice.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  21,305
  • Reputation:   911
  • Days Won:  10
  • Joined:  01/02/2007

I'm not even completely certain about what you are trying to say, since you post a lot of sentence fragments, but I'm not protecting "what they did".

Sometimes, I'm not even certain what kinds of cogent points some of our posters are trying to say. Needless to say, Rizman has you responding quite a bit to his grammatically naive points. That's pretty funny.

"Grammatically naive" ..... very nice.

Imperious part two.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  21,305
  • Reputation:   911
  • Days Won:  10
  • Joined:  01/02/2007

If you are two high brow for the Miami fans who did not go to school their then you have lost your argument.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  1,741
  • Reputation:   1
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  02/26/2004

NCAA investigation update: Nevin Shapiro rants from prison; UM optimistic

SUNDAY BUZZ COLUMN

As he sits behind a computer in a New Orleans prison, the rage still boils inside Nevin Shapiro.

The angry e-mails this winter paint the picture of a man determined to destroy the UM football program. But UM remains optimistic he won’t be nearly as successful as he claims he will be.

“The public is going to hate me worse in the next coming months,†Shapiro, serving a 20-year sentence for a Ponzi scheme, wrote in numerous e-mails over the past few months. “It’s going to be severe and catastrophic. My feelings are getting inflamed and I’m going to pop off pretty soon with regards to them and the NCAA. I’m coming for them both [uM and former players] and I’m going to be successful.

“I’m taking that program down to Chinatown and the former players and links to that program. Why? Because the U.S. government lined up 47 former players to testify against me in open court if I went to trial. That in itself is motivation to shove it up their collective [butts].â€

Nobody at UM believes Shapiro when he claims “UM is getting the death penalty or **** close to it.†The NCAA isn’t commenting on its investigation, which began last March, but here’s what people are saying, including UM administrators and Board of Trustee members:

### The NCAA has not told UM what punishment to expect, but there’s cautious optimism. UM’s understanding is the NCAA will dismiss any of Shapiro’s claims that it cannot corroborate and is highly skeptical about some of his allegations. Many of them have not been corroborated.

One top UM official said if Shapiro were under oath, UM could punch holes in much of what he says. UM expects to hear from the NCAA by early summer.

### One UM official said he expects “one more bowl ban, maybe two at most†plus undetermined scholarship losses. But that’s speculative, because UM hasn’t been told anything on either issue. Some are hopeful of escaping further bowl bans after last year’s self-imposed one.

### Al Golden said: “We think the worst is behind us. The [current] coaches and 95 percent of the players weren’t here when that thing went on. There’s a shift by the NCAA to go after the perpetrators and that’s not us.â€

### Surprisingly, the NCAA hasn’t contacted many former players implicated by Shapiro. Samuel Shields said his son Sam, whom Shapiro claimed he gave a television, was never called by the NCAA and said Shapiro’s allegation is false.

The school believes none of the former Canes, excluding those still attending college elsewhere, are talking to the NCAA. The NCAA called several college players who aren’t at UM; some gave information that could hurt UM but others, such as ex-Cane Storm Johnson did not. Johnson, now at UCF, told the NCAA he had no contact with Shapiro, his father said. (Remember, only current college players, current coaches and current college employees are required to speak to the NCAA; all others are not.)

### Former UM basketball coaches Frank Haith, Jake Morton and Jorge Fernandez denied wrongdoing to NCAA investigators and claimed no knowledge of Morton’s alleged payoff intended for DeQuan Jones’ family, according to friends. The NCAA hasn’t corroborated the Jones allegation. "DeQuan Jones didn't do anything wrong, but that won't stop the proof of the cash payouts to Morton, with Haith's knowledge," Shapiro e-mailed. The NCAA apparently has no such proof, as of this time.

### Former assistant football coach Joe Pannunzio, now at Alabama, said he would do nothing to implicate UM, according to a friend, though one active player told the NCAA that Pannunzio was to blame for taking him to Shapiro. More problematic is Louisville assistant Clint Hurtt, who was implicated by several players for providing lodging during recruiting trips.... Also still problematic, among other things: Shapiro's co-ownership in a sports agency that signed Vince Wilfork and Jon Beason and recruited lots of others. But his partner, Michael Huyghue, has disputed Shapiro's claims and denied NCAA violations.

### The owner of one prominent local business where Shapiro allegedly took players said he did not return the NCAA’s call. Fashion Clothiers owner Shelly Bloom said the NCAA hasn’t called him, notable because Yahoo! claiming Bloom confirmed that Shapiro spent thousands of dollars on suits and clothing for Devin Hester, Tavares Gooden and Willis McGahee. Bloom disputed that Yahoo portrayal, saying he didn’t know for whom Shapiro bought the clothing.

### Shapiro said “114 is the true number†of players he has implicated “and that’s what the NCAA is working off†– not the 72 mentioned by Yahoo! But aside from the eight who were disciplined last year, allegations against many will be difficult or impossible to prove.

### Shapiro spoke of claims that have not “been brought to light yet†and that “the NCAA is aware and involved.†If there are such claims, UM people we spoke with aren’t aware of them.

### After a December agreement ensured that no current or former UM players will be asked to testify in front of the bankruptcy trustee, Shapiro said the former players “are going to have to tell the truth, but it’s not going to be [to] a trustee.†He has suggested UM players will be required to speak to the government.

But Michael Ward, who’s in charge of Newark’s FBI division (which investigated Shapiro's Ponzi scheme), said Shapiro’s allegations “against the players would not rise to the level of a federal crime. There is no FBI investigation of Shapiro’s allegations.â€

Overall, Shapiro sounds like a desperate man, willing to say anything to exact revenge and still furious that "once the [ex-UM] players turned pro, they turned their back on me.'' Incredibly, he says of himself, "I'm more of a victim than a Ponzi schemer and assailant." The federal government doesn't see it that way.

A member of the Federal Department of Justice said Shapiro, 42, must serve at least 85 percent of his sentence, equal to 17 years, for orchestrating the $930 million Ponzi scheme. He pled guilty, in September 2010, to one count of securities fraud and one count of money laudering.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com...l#storylink=cpy

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Moderator
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  74,570
  • Reputation:   10,841
  • Days Won:  423
  • Joined:  11/25/2005

I'm not even completely certain about what you are trying to say, since you post a lot of sentence fragments, but I'm not protecting "what they did".

Sometimes, I'm not even certain what kinds of cogent points some of our posters are trying to say. Needless to say, Rizman has you responding quite a bit to his grammatically naive points. That's pretty funny.

"Grammatically naive" ..... very nice.

Imperious part two.

Shhhhh ... I think Paisa thinks you were doing it on purpose .... Don't spoil it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  1,741
  • Reputation:   1
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  02/26/2004

NCAA investigation update: Nevin Shapiro rants from prison; UM optimistic

BUZZ COLUMN

As he sits behind a computer in a New Orleans prison, the rage still boils inside Nevin Shapiro.

The angry e-mails this winter paint the picture of a man determined to destroy the UM football program. But UM remains optimistic he won’t be nearly as successful as he claims he will be.

“The public is going to hate me worse in the next coming months,†Shapiro, serving a 20-year sentence for a Ponzi scheme, wrote in numerous e-mails over the past few months. “It’s going to be severe and catastrophic. My feelings are getting inflamed and I’m going to pop off pretty soon with regards to them and the NCAA. I’m coming for them both [uM and former players] and I’m going to be successful.

“I’m taking that program down to Chinatown and the former players and links to that program. Why? Because the U.S. government lined up 47 former players to testify against me in open court if I went to trial. That in itself is motivation to shove it up their collective [butts].â€

Nobody at UM believes Shapiro when he claims “UM is getting the death penalty or **** close to it.†The NCAA isn’t commenting on its investigation, which began last March, but here’s what people are saying, including UM administrators and Board of Trustee members:

### The NCAA has not told UM what punishment to expect, but there’s cautious optimism. UM’s understanding is the NCAA will dismiss any of Shapiro’s claims that it cannot corroborate and is highly skeptical about some of his allegations. Many of them have not been corroborated.

One top UM official said if Shapiro were under oath, UM could punch holes in much of what he says. UM expects to hear from the NCAA by early summer.

### One UM official said he expects “one more bowl ban, maybe two at most†plus undetermined scholarship losses. But that’s speculative, because UM hasn’t been told anything on either issue. Some are hopeful of escaping further bowl bans after last year’s self-imposed one.

### Al Golden said: “We think the worst is behind us. The [current] coaches and 95 percent of the players weren’t here when that thing went on. There’s a shift by the NCAA to go after the perpetrators and that’s not us.â€

### Surprisingly, the NCAA hasn’t contacted many former players implicated by Shapiro. Samuel Shields said his son Sam, whom Shapiro claimed he gave a television, was never called by the NCAA and said Shapiro’s allegation is false.

The school believes none of the former Canes, excluding those still attending college elsewhere, are talking to the NCAA. The NCAA called several college players who aren’t at UM; some gave information that could hurt UM but others, such as ex-Cane Storm Johnson did not. Johnson, now at UCF, told the NCAA he had no contact with Shapiro, his father said. (Remember, only current college players, current coaches and current college employees are required to speak to the NCAA; all others are not.)

### Former UM basketball coaches Frank Haith, Jake Morton and Jorge Fernandez denied wrongdoing to NCAA investigators and claimed no knowledge of Morton’s alleged payoff intended for DeQuan Jones’ family, according to friends. The NCAA hasn’t corroborated the Jones allegation. "DeQuan Jones didn't do anything wrong, but that won't stop the proof of the cash payouts to Morton, with Haith's knowledge," Shapiro e-mailed. The NCAA apparently has no such proof, as of this time.

### Former assistant football coach Joe Pannunzio, now at Alabama, said he would do nothing to implicate UM, according to a friend, though one active player told the NCAA that Pannunzio was to blame for taking him to Shapiro. More problematic is Louisville assistant Clint Hurtt, who was implicated by several players for providing lodging during recruiting trips.... Also still problematic, among other things: Shapiro's co-ownership in a sports agency that signed Vince Wilfork and Jon Beason and recruited lots of others. But his partner, Michael Huyghue, has disputed Shapiro's claims and denied NCAA violations.

### The owner of one prominent local business where Shapiro allegedly took players said he did not return the NCAA’s call. Fashion Clothiers owner Shelly Bloom said the NCAA hasn’t called him, notable because Yahoo! claiming Bloom confirmed that Shapiro spent thousands of dollars on suits and clothing for Devin Hester, Tavares Gooden and Willis McGahee. Bloom disputed that Yahoo portrayal, saying he didn’t know for whom Shapiro bought the clothing.

### Shapiro said “114 is the true number†of players he has implicated “and that’s what the NCAA is working off†– not the 72 mentioned by Yahoo! But aside from the eight who were disciplined last year, allegations against many will be difficult or impossible to prove.

### Shapiro spoke of claims that have not “been brought to light yet†and that “the NCAA is aware and involved.†If there are such claims, UM people we spoke with aren’t aware of them.

### After a December agreement ensured that no current or former UM players will be asked to testify in front of the bankruptcy trustee, Shapiro said the former players “are going to have to tell the truth, but it’s not going to be [to] a trustee.†He has suggested UM players will be required to speak to the government.

But Michael Ward, who’s in charge of Newark’s FBI division (which investigated Shapiro's Ponzi scheme), said Shapiro’s allegations “against the players would not rise to the level of a federal crime. There is no FBI investigation of Shapiro’s allegations.â€

Overall, Shapiro sounds like a desperate man, willing to say anything to exact revenge and still furious that "once the [ex-UM] players turned pro, they turned their back on me.'' Incredibly, he says of himself, "I'm more of a victim than a Ponzi schemer and assailant." The federal government doesn't see it that way.

A member of the Federal Department of Justice said Shapiro, 42, must serve at least 85 percent of his sentence, equal to 17 years, for orchestrating the $930 million Ponzi scheme. He pled guilty, in September 2010, to one count of securities fraud and one count of money laudering.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com...l#storylink=cpy

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  21,305
  • Reputation:   911
  • Days Won:  10
  • Joined:  01/02/2007

Miami Herald not that bias at all. Oh, and they have a total pipeline into all the decision makers at the NCAA and what the NCAA is investigating. What a bunch of Bull

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  0
  • Content Count:  9,038
  • Reputation:   101
  • Days Won:  1
  • Joined:  12/18/2006

Here's hoping that Miami's football program goes bye-bye forever.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Tell a friend

    Love TheBullsPen.com? Tell a friend!
  • South Florida Fight Song

     

  • Quotes

    Act like you’ve been there before. Turns out, for many of us, we haven’t been there before.

    Alex Golesh  

  • Files

  • Recent Achievements

  • Popular Contributors

  • Quotes

    “In my mind, I’m kind of like, ‘OK, excuses over'. We know what we need to do. We’ve got the right team together, and now we move forward, and we’ll evaluate and be accountable to each other, including myself, from this point forward.”

    Michael Kelly  

×
×
  • Create New...

It appears you are using ad blocking tools.  This site is supported through ads.  Please disable in order to enjoy full access to The Bulls Pen.  Registration is free and reduces ads.