UCF recruiting violations fallout

[smazza]

what will become of orlando school now

[GaUSFBull]

What surprises me is that somehow none of the UCF nuts have blamed this on USF yet. 

[crambone]

What surprises me is that somehow none of the UCF nuts have blamed this on USF yet. 

They're too busy saying "All schools use runners...we just got caught" and then they want to say that our Title IX crap is worse than what they are doing.

[2000bull]

What surprises me is that somehow none of the UCF nuts have blamed this on USF yet. 

i think they've turned their attention to l-ville on this one.

[bullsbucsfan426]

Caldwell defends UCF and himself. His son attends UCF and he's been friends with AJ Rompza since 6th grade. 2 things both smear pieces conveniently left out when questioning the 'mysterious connection of Caldwell to UCF'. They don't like the new kid on the block recruiting against the big boys

Caldwell said UCF has become a target within the college basketball and football establishment because the Knights have won recruiting battles against higher profile programs for top recruits. He said he is nothing more than a mentor to young athletes and a fan of UCF sports programs that sells themselves once high school athletes visit the campus.

"Why are they personally attacking me when this whole thing is about the big schools saying the smaller schools shouldn't be getting players," Caldwell asked. "… There's no money involved. I challenge anyone to say if Ken Caldwell gave a player money or the university gave Caldwell money to give to a player. That doesn't exist."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/knights/os-ucf-recruiting-tactics-questioned-20110430,0,5335838.story

tisk, tisk.  813 you need to do more research.  In fact the fact that Caldwell's son is attending UCF, reportedly, is MORE DAMNING for UCF and not less.  You ignorant fools are spinning this and not realizing your spins are only making matters worse.  Caldwell's son attending UCF officially makes him a booster of UCF, and thus ANY, emphasize ANY, contact with recruits to influence them to attend a school would be a MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR violation particularly since it is very clear that UCF was aware of it.  This is bad, real bad for UCF.  If Caldwell's son does go to UCF and he's running around using his street contacts, he's clearly not a person that UCF gives to the NCAA as approved recruiters, so if he's running around contacting UCF recruits-- big no-no my friend.  And it would be even worse if UCF in some way paid for the service.

Please go look up the NCAA rules...actually if Caldwell did not have a son a UCF it would be BETTER for you because he could simply pass things off as casual interactions and comments...now by NCAA rules he's construed as a booster and thus any intentional contact with potential recruits would be deemed by the NCAA as impermissible.

Furthermore there are rumors swirling that two schools may have blown the whistle on UCF, to include UL, because reportedly Bender and Caldwell had reached out to both about financial pay-offs to direct players their way by those schools and were rebuffed.  When UCF suddenly had these big name kids go their way, after what these bigger schools knew Bender and Caldwell wanted, it was clear what UCF did/was doing.  And this is for football and basketball.  it was like MSU when they turned in Auburn for the Newton stuff...same stuff they're saying these runners were asking for money.

Lastly, if UCF fans would read a little, NCAA rules state that if a school commits violations while on NCAA probation for major violations (as UCF is on right now) then the NCAA will consider them tied together, even if different sports, and the additional punishment will tie all the offenses together and the school will be labeled a 2 time major offender.  TO put simply they'll throw the book at you if ANY of this is substantiated.

Playing Devil's Advocate, here is the NCAA By-Laws:

13.02.14 R epresentative of Athletics Interests. A “representative of the institution’s athletics interestsâ€

is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization

who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics

administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)

(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution’s intercollegiate

athletics program;

( Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that

institution;

© Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective

student-athletes;

(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or

(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution’s athletics program.

I can see where the son/student may be construed as a repesentative, depending on any organizations he belongs to, but I don't see where the father could be, unless he was also was card carrying member of one of UCF's booster organizatons ... Hopefully, I'm missing something ...   

isn't 'e' pretty much a catch all? also, by buying a ticket to any sporting event, wouldn't that include you in 'b'? 

That's the part I'm not really sure about ... I didn't think buying a ticket is the same as contributing to an athletics department or athletics booster organization. If the students pay some sort of an Athletics fee through tuition, is that considered contributing to an athletics department or athletics booster organization?

I don't think athletic fees would qualify. Since the university can take action against you for not paying them, it's essentially considered mandatory and any student there wouldn't have a choice.

As for buying tickets-well, if that were the case, all those road fans that show up at USF games would essentially be considered boosters, which I doubt is the case.

Being a booster means you actually give money to the athletic program with nothing in return.

[Bullpride08]

Caldwell defends UCF and himself. His son attends UCF and he's been friends with AJ Rompza since 6th grade. 2 things both smear pieces conveniently left out when questioning the 'mysterious connection of Caldwell to UCF'. They don't like the new kid on the block recruiting against the big boys

Caldwell said UCF has become a target within the college basketball and football establishment because the Knights have won recruiting battles against higher profile programs for top recruits. He said he is nothing more than a mentor to young athletes and a fan of UCF sports programs that sells themselves once high school athletes visit the campus.

"Why are they personally attacking me when this whole thing is about the big schools saying the smaller schools shouldn't be getting players," Caldwell asked. "… There's no money involved. I challenge anyone to say if Ken Caldwell gave a player money or the university gave Caldwell money to give to a player. That doesn't exist."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/knights/os-ucf-recruiting-tactics-questioned-20110430,0,5335838.story

tisk, tisk.  813 you need to do more research.  In fact the fact that Caldwell's son is attending UCF, reportedly, is MORE DAMNING for UCF and not less.  You ignorant fools are spinning this and not realizing your spins are only making matters worse.  Caldwell's son attending UCF officially makes him a booster of UCF, and thus ANY, emphasize ANY, contact with recruits to influence them to attend a school would be a MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR violation particularly since it is very clear that UCF was aware of it.  This is bad, real bad for UCF.  If Caldwell's son does go to UCF and he's running around using his street contacts, he's clearly not a person that UCF gives to the NCAA as approved recruiters, so if he's running around contacting UCF recruits-- big no-no my friend.  And it would be even worse if UCF in some way paid for the service.

Please go look up the NCAA rules...actually if Caldwell did not have a son a UCF it would be BETTER for you because he could simply pass things off as casual interactions and comments...now by NCAA rules he's construed as a booster and thus any intentional contact with potential recruits would be deemed by the NCAA as impermissible.

Furthermore there are rumors swirling that two schools may have blown the whistle on UCF, to include UL, because reportedly Bender and Caldwell had reached out to both about financial pay-offs to direct players their way by those schools and were rebuffed.  When UCF suddenly had these big name kids go their way, after what these bigger schools knew Bender and Caldwell wanted, it was clear what UCF did/was doing.  And this is for football and basketball.  it was like MSU when they turned in Auburn for the Newton stuff...same stuff they're saying these runners were asking for money.

Lastly, if UCF fans would read a little, NCAA rules state that if a school commits violations while on NCAA probation for major violations (as UCF is on right now) then the NCAA will consider them tied together, even if different sports, and the additional punishment will tie all the offenses together and the school will be labeled a 2 time major offender.  TO put simply they'll throw the book at you if ANY of this is substantiated.

Playing Devil's Advocate, here is the NCAA By-Laws:

13.02.14 R epresentative of Athletics Interests. A “representative of the institution’s athletics interestsâ€

is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization

who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics

administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)

(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution’s intercollegiate

athletics program;

( Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that

institution;

© Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective

student-athletes;

(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or

(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution’s athletics program.

I can see where the son/student may be construed as a repesentative, depending on any organizations he belongs to, but I don't see where the father could be, unless he was also was card carrying member of one of UCF's booster organizatons ... Hopefully, I'm missing something ...   

isn't 'e' pretty much a catch all? also, by buying a ticket to any sporting event, wouldn't that include you in 'b'? 

That's the part I'm not really sure about ... I didn't think buying a ticket is the same as contributing to an athletics department or athletics booster organization. If the students pay some sort of an Athletics fee through tuition, is that considered contributing to an athletics department or athletics booster organization?

I don't think athletic fees would qualify. Since the university can take action against you for not paying them, it's essentially considered mandatory and any student there wouldn't have a choice.

As for buying tickets-well, if that were the case, all those road fans that show up at USF games would essentially be considered boosters, which I doubt is the case.

Being a booster means you actually give money to the athletic program with nothing in return.

They do consider athletic fees as such because it's already been cited in other situations.  The NCAA takes a loose interpretation of booster, very loose, this is why the definitions are so subjectively written that it can include virtually anyone.  But athletic fees do count because you are paying fees that go to the athletic department.  One could argue the same about season tix holders that you're forced to donate to get tixs at many schools....just because the system forces you to pay doesn't mean you don't WANT to pay.  What the fees do is tie the person and the athletic department together.  There is no doubt that Mr. Caldwell was self-promoting UCF, and the fact he's paid athletic fees in the past puts him in a financial connection with UCF and their athletic department.

That's all the ties the NCAA needs.  You should have read about 15 years ago when ND was nabbed for a lady that was stealing money from her employer and giving money to kids.  She was construed as a 'booster' because she spent $500 a year on a some Ladies QB luncheon Club, that was unaffiliated with the University or it's athletic department-  to put simply it was a bunch of ladies getting together for lunches and annually they donated a nominal amount to the athletic department...that was enough for the NCAA to connect her as a 'booster'.  She argued that the fees were mandatory for the Club, and it was mainly to pay for the lunches and meeting time, and she never dictated where the money went to as a donation.  To bad to sad.  The NCAA doesn't permit people to contact recruits with an expressed intent to recruit a player for A SCHOOL.  If they can put ANY connection with that fan and that school's athletic department...then the NCAA will do it.

[redbird2001]

Funny thing is half the people in Louisviille didnt realize UCF had a basketball team.

[Bullpride08]

Funny thing is half the people in Louisviille didnt realize UCF had a basketball team.

:ROFLMAO and after this investigation is over they still won't have one. ;D

[ChapelhillBULL]

NCAA prez vows to crack down on cheaters. This doesn't look good for those repeat offenders over in Orlando.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6522478

[Bullpride08]

NCAA prez vows to crack down on cheaters. This doesn't look good for those repeat offenders over in Orlando.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6522478

Until the NCAA cracks down UCF won't stop.  I wonder who's pockets they're greasing in Manatee to get Blakely to consider them....I think O'Liar has mastered the twenty dollar handshake by now.