Building it the right way

[RickUSF]

Ben Roethilsberger was like a 2-star player out of high school

Aaron Rodgers had no scholarship offers out of high school, only 1 walk-on offer (illinois) and went to JuCo before Cal

[Bull94]

Remember Coach Holtz look at system guys. So these guy will develop into something.

What coach doesn't "look at system guys," whatever that means?

I won't name any coach in particular but there are coaches that will recruit "athletes" not knowing where they might fit in. There are also coaches that will take undo risks on guys that might not qualify or guys that won't ever be able to stay qualified. These can be wasted roster spaces that can give you depth problems at other areas.

good coaches will look at areas of need and fill them with the best available players that will give us 4 or 5 solid years of production. this creates depth. we have had unbalanced rosters in the past where we had to start walk-on o-linemen because we had 11 scholarship RBs on roster. we had to start a walk-on freshman QB last year because we didn't have any depth at the position.

[GaUSFBull]

Remember Coach Holtz look at system guys. So these guy will develop into something.

What coach doesn't "look at system guys," whatever that means?

I won't name any coach in particular but there are coaches that will recruit "athletes" not knowing where they might fit in. There are also coaches that will take undo risks on guys that might not qualify or guys that won't ever be able to stay qualified. These can be wasted roster spaces that can give you depth problems at other areas.

good coaches will look at areas of need and fill them with the best available players that will give us 4 or 5 solid years of production. this creates depth. we have had unbalanced rosters in the past where we had to start walk-on o-linemen because we had 11 scholarship RBs on roster. we had to start a walk-on freshman QB last year because we didn't have any depth at the position.

So it's not as much about being a "system guy," as opposed to having an actual plan for recruiting athletes.  Correct? 

[gobulls83]

Remember Coach Holtz look at system guys. So these guy will develop into something.

What coach doesn't "look at system guys," whatever that means?

I won't name any coach in particular but there are coaches that will recruit "athletes" not knowing where they might fit in. There are also coaches that will take undo risks on guys that might not qualify or guys that won't ever be able to stay qualified. These can be wasted roster spaces that can give you depth problems at other areas.

good coaches will look at areas of need and fill them with the best available players that will give us 4 or 5 solid years of production. this creates depth. we have had unbalanced rosters in the past where we had to start walk-on o-linemen because we had 11 scholarship RBs on roster. we had to start a walk-on freshman QB last year because we didn't have any depth at the position.

It's all just meaningless coachspeak nonsense. I think everything I have to judge it by says this is a good recruiting class. That's all that needs to be said. "Holtz looks at system guys" is meaningless.

A relatively small number of schools can, more or less, have their pick of recruits. All the rest have to identify players who they think they can mold into productive players, or perhaps search for a gem overlooked by those schools which can pick and choose who they want. That's as true of Tulsa and Tulane and Eastern Michigan as it is USF.

You don't need this bogus "system guys" disclaimer to say this was a good recruiting class.

[Bull94]

Remember Coach Holtz look at system guys. So these guy will develop into something.

What coach doesn't "look at system guys," whatever that means?

I won't name any coach in particular but there are coaches that will recruit "athletes" not knowing where they might fit in. There are also coaches that will take undo risks on guys that might not qualify or guys that won't ever be able to stay qualified. These can be wasted roster spaces that can give you depth problems at other areas.

good coaches will look at areas of need and fill them with the best available players that will give us 4 or 5 solid years of production. this creates depth. we have had unbalanced rosters in the past where we had to start walk-on o-linemen because we had 11 scholarship RBs on roster. we had to start a walk-on freshman QB last year because we didn't have any depth at the position.

So it's not as much about being a "system guy," as opposed to having an actual plan for recruiting athletes.  Correct? 

sure a plan to recruit players that fit his system as opposed to a plan for recruiting the best available athletes. both are recruiting plans. one just happens to recruit based on needs to fill his system.

[BullFan98]

Big uglies everytime

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[Bull94]

Remember Coach Holtz look at system guys. So these guy will develop into something.

What coach doesn't "look at system guys," whatever that means?

I won't name any coach in particular but there are coaches that will recruit "athletes" not knowing where they might fit in. There are also coaches that will take undo risks on guys that might not qualify or guys that won't ever be able to stay qualified. These can be wasted roster spaces that can give you depth problems at other areas.

good coaches will look at areas of need and fill them with the best available players that will give us 4 or 5 solid years of production. this creates depth. we have had unbalanced rosters in the past where we had to start walk-on o-linemen because we had 11 scholarship RBs on roster. we had to start a walk-on freshman QB last year because we didn't have any depth at the position.

It's all just meaningless coachspeak nonsense. I think everything I have to judge it by says this is a good recruiting class. That's all that needs to be said. "Holtz looks at system guys" is meaningless.

A relatively small number of schools can, more or less, have their pick of recruits. All the rest have to identify players who they think they can mold into productive players, or perhaps search for a gem overlooked by those schools which can pick and choose who they want. That's as true of Tulsa and Tulane and Eastern Michigan as it is USF.

You don't need this bogus "system guys" disclaimer to say this was a good recruiting class.

notice how rivals has all of our recruits listed at specific positions.

look at some past classes and you will see quite a few "athletes" listed. no particular position. that's not recruiting to fill needs or to fit his system.

Bobby Bowden started to recruit "athletes' toward the end of his career. sure they had lots of stars and led to highly ranked classes but they didn't fill out his roster and it eventually led to his demise. he himself admitted this was his problem.

Their new coach had a very good recruiting clas this year and every single player has a position listed. no "athletes' that you try and fit in somewhere.

[BullFan98]

because I feel like at this point we should be getting 6-8 4 star guys a year,

At this point? Meaning after having a football program for 15 years and never having won more than 9 games in a single season?

Schools like Penn St, Wisconsin, Miami, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Iowa, Arkansas all got about 3 to 5, Four stars this season and all of those teams have been BCS caliber within the past couple years or at least have strong tradition like Miami.

Ohio St "only" got 9 four stars this year. By your standards they should be getting at least 20 per year lol.

Our fanbase really is ******* delusional sometimes.

Say what you want, but we should be doing better than #57

According to scout, we were outrecruited by: Northwestern, Washington State, Marshall, Baylor, Syracuse, SMU, and Vanderbilt

Being in florida and a BCS conference, team on the rise, this shouldnt happen. We can chalk it up to Holtz establishing ties in Florida, but next year there needs to be improvement imo if we are going to compete for BCS bowl games.

We're not really a team on the rise anymore as much as we are a team on a plateau.  2010 was a year of transition and it turned out better than anyone outside of USF, and even some of our fans anticipated.  However, we still finished right around our average wins/year.   We are an average BCS team right now.  

Seems like you're one of those guys that puts more stock in winning in February than in September-December.  We have a proven coach now that has won at every stop; he has shown he has a system that works, which showed this year.  You need to be patient.  Winning a Big East title and a win/good showing in a BCS bowl will start attracting top talent to USF.  I really don't see why this is so hard for people to understand.  People act like we should be getting better recruits when we haven't shown we can have championship-caliber seasons yet.  

I generally agree with your statement.  Teams also generally pick up top talent when they are known for producing talent at the next level in any particular area (i.e. our defensive line and arguably our defensive backs).  We have a very talented defensive coaching staff in Synder, Patrick, etc. and they know how to mold and produce quality players.  These guys were instrumental in us landing Watson (away from Miami and UF).  Kevin Patrick had a lot to do with us recruiting him.  My long winded point is that not only conference championships and BCS bowl games result in recruiting top talent, although they certainly will help in landing a well rounded recruiting class.

[bulldozier1]

Ok, do BJ fit Holtz system? Or did he build it around BJ's talents? On the o-line, you have maulers and finesse guys. D-line, you have 1 gap and 2 gap linemen. You have your bump and run or zone cover corners. What type of players Coach Holtz look for?

[The Great 8]

Coach Holtz is building the football program the right way. From the inside out. It shows in this recruiting class with the total of linemen they brought in. There's two things a football team needs to do to win championships. You must run the ball(successfully), and stop the run. If you're great at those things, you win. Watch the Super bowl, and check the stats of the winner.

Thats one of those common myths. A good quarterback is far more valuable than a good running game and good run defense.

There is a reason that the NFL teams with Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brady, and Aaron Rodgers are always good.

That said, this was a solid recruiting class, it irritates me that we cant do better than this, because I feel like at this point we should be getting 6-8 4 star guys a year, but I think at least the guys we got seem to be high quality individuals and solid players.

Brady plays behind a Top 3 OL, Manning Top 5 others Top 10 or so. All those teams also have dominant DL in Wilfork, Raji, Freeny, Mathis etc.

A good running game is important at all three levels. You have to keep the defense honest and be able to get the hard yardage.

You're ignoring the running game comment then. Manning and Brady generally have had mediocre running compliments. IN FACT, all of the QB's listed above (Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers) have done very well with no elite running back for much of their careers.

The OL, DL, and QB are the most important part of the team. QB is especially important at the college level as he can single handedly bring up a bad team or tear down a good one.