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[Triple B]

27 minutes ago, El_Toro_86 said:

Only on TBP can a thread on CBG and MBB derail in to mud slinging about the merits of an OCS, attendance and conference USA 3.0.  I guess someone will be chiming in on Publix subs and uniforms any minute now

We are very creative .....

[bowman1]

1 hour ago, El_Toro_86 said:

Only on TBP can a thread on CBG and MBB derail in to mud slinging about the merits of an OCS, attendance and conference USA 3.0.  I guess someone will be chiming in on Publix subs and uniforms any minute now

Or the merits on why BJD/QF should tryout the CFL . . . Oh wait, they both already did that

[John Lewis]

6 hours ago, USFRaider said:

Of course the hardcores will be there. Too bad there are so few of us.

Not sure I would qualify someone as “hardcore”, who has mentioned on multiple occasions that they are dropping their season tickets.

[Friscobull]

10 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

Not sure I would qualify someone as “hardcore”, who has mentioned on multiple occasions that they are dropping their season tickets.

He is using the savings of the cancellation to go to Raiders games in Vegas.  I think he mentioned this a half dozen times.

[NewEnglandBull]

4 hours ago, El_Toro_86 said:

Only on TBP can a thread on CBG and MBB derail in to mud slinging about the merits of an OCS, attendance and conference USA 3.0.  I guess someone will be chiming in on Publix subs and uniforms any minute now

Throw a little Jim Leavitt onto the mix as well

[Brad]

1 hour ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Throw a little Jim Leavitt onto the mix as well

Yes!!  

[BullShirt]

On 3/26/2022 at 8:50 AM, michibull said:

Look man, I’ll lay this out for you quick and easy. UCF was playing off campus, struggling with attendance, apathy and on field performance (this was actually confirmed by a UCF fan on this board). We passed them by and got into the Big East, it rocked them to the core and from that point on, they sold out and spent huge amounts of money on facilities, OCS, marketing, and student engagement. The wins started to follow, attendance went up and media perception went up as well; but it all started with facilities and an OCS (which ours will be much better quality). Now it’s one example but it’s also an important example because they kind of mirror us in a lot of ways. So to be honest, you take take everything you have said and flush it down the toilet, because UCF single handedly destroys every argument you have used as to why building a stadium first won’t bring wins. Yes, there were good coaching hires, good recruiting, but the OCS helped them with that. Most of us that want the OCS see that it will help us in so many other ways that will help the university, students and football. Sports are a BUSINESS, the entertainment business; entertainment is successful through experiences and an OCS will greatly help with the college football experience. You clearly are ignoring that part. Why do you think car companies spend so much time, money and effort in the interior of cars? It’s called “driver experience”. It’s why you buy Cadillac, BMW and Lexus. The German 3 don’t actually build more reliable cars than others, that’s just branding, what they do is build a cars that give the driver a more luxurious experience. Yes, I know about these things because I am an engineer that develops heated and cooled seats, so I have to work the mechanical and studio aspects of seating and interiors. The OCS is part of selling a product, not real estate. Do you think “the swamp” would be as good if Florida played at Hard Rock, or if Georgia played at Mercedes Benz stadium, NO, they wouldn’t. So realize that the OCS means so much more than dollars and cents. Sorry, I was gonna make this quick and then I got lengthy with it, haha. 

You said "we passed them (UCF) by and rocked them to the core."  Didn't that happen while USF was playing at RayJay?  Thanks for making my point.  We can and did have success without playing on campus.

You think the UCF "wins followed" because they built a new stadium?  No, I'm sure they wouldn't have won any games if they still played in the Citrus Bowl (which was nowhere near as nice as RayJay - no comparison).  LOTS of schools HAD TO HAVE a remodeled or new stadium and it didn't help their records one bit.  Same with the NFL.  And many didn't see an appreciable increase in attendance and those that did lost it within 3-5 years if their records didn't improve.

YOu also said "sports are a BUSINESS".  Thanks for pointing that out.  Playing professionally for several years somehow I missed that.  We're talking about COLLEGE sports here, namely football and basketball.  And by the way, outside of about a dozen colleges ALL colleges lose money on their sports programs including USF and UCF so it's really hard to say they are running a business.  If so they'd be out of business  by now because they'd be bankrupt.

Interesting that you picked "the swamp" for your example.  A school that sells out 'The Swamp" when they have great teams and win championships but loses fans and GIVES AWAY tickets when they aren't dong well.  And just to be up front and honest here, I've been to far more games at the Swamp over the years than USF games. Remember, I'm not a USF Alumni so I don't feel I HAVE to go to USF games.  Plus, I entertain clients at games and a good/great team or game ALWAYS trumps a mediocre or even good game.  Think about that.  THe Swamp is 3 hours away and in the BUSINESS world my clients have indicated they would much rather go to a Florida game than a USF game.  And pretty much none of my clients are Florida Alumni either.  In fact when Florida was dominant a few years back and winning national championships I had clients more interested in going to Gainesville than watching the Bucs play locally.  RayJay tops The Swamp across the board so it's not about the facilities or the location thereof.  It's the trade off between time spent (not money because I pay for everything) vs entertainment received.   WINNING.   I'm not onboard with the OCS because I personally think it's a distraction from the bigger issue.

Let me ask you this (and be honest).  If USF was playing like UF played a few years back when they were winning or contending for national championships and RayJay was PACKED (which it would be because people are fickle and will jump on the bandwagon when a team is winning) would anyone really be clamoring for an OCS which would definitely be smaller than RayJay?  And I realize that comparing USF in the Big East / AAC is different than comparing UF in the SEC but you decided to use UF as an example so I think it's fair to continue that comparison.

[Cubanbull]

4 minutes ago, BullShirt said:

You said "we passed them (UCF) by and rocked them to the core."  Didn't that happen while USF was playing at RayJay?  Thanks for making my point.  We can and did have success without playing on campus.

You think the UCF "wins followed" because they built a new stadium?  No, I'm sure they wouldn't have won any games if they still played in the Citrus Bowl (which was nowhere near as nice as RayJay - no comparison).  LOTS of schools HAD TO HAVE a remodeled or new stadium and it didn't help their records one bit.  Same with the NFL.  And many didn't see an appreciable increase in attendance and those that did lost it within 3-5 years if their records didn't improve.

YOu also said "sports are a BUSINESS".  Thanks for pointing that out.  Playing professionally for several years somehow I missed that.  We're talking about COLLEGE sports here, namely football and basketball.  And by the way, outside of about a dozen colleges ALL colleges lose money on their sports programs including USF and UCF so it's really hard to say they are running a business.  If so they'd be out of business  by now because they'd be bankrupt.

Interesting that you picked "the swamp" for your example.  A school that sells out 'The Swamp" when they have great teams and win championships but loses fans and GIVES AWAY tickets when they aren't dong well.  And just to be up front and honest here, I've been to far more games at the Swamp over the years than USF games. Remember, I'm not a USF Alumni so I don't feel I HAVE to go to USF games.  Plus, I entertain clients at games and a good/great team or game ALWAYS trumps a mediocre or even good game.  Think about that.  THe Swamp is 3 hours away and in the BUSINESS world my clients have indicated they would much rather go to a Florida game than a USF game.  And pretty much none of my clients are Florida Alumni either.  In fact when Florida was dominant a few years back and winning national championships I had clients more interested in going to Gainesville than watching the Bucs play locally.  RayJay tops The Swamp across the board so it's not about the facilities or the location thereof.  It's the trade off between time spent (not money because I pay for everything) vs entertainment received.   WINNING.   I'm not onboard with the OCS because I personally think it's a distraction from the bigger issue.

Let me ask you this (and be honest).  If USF was playing like UF played a few years back when they were winning or contending for national championships and RayJay was PACKED (which it would be because people are fickle and will jump on the bandwagon when a team is winning) would anyone really be clamoring for an OCS which would definitely be smaller than RayJay?  And I realize that comparing USF in the Big East / AAC is different than comparing UF in the SEC but you decided to use UF as an example so I think it's fair to continue that comparison.

I haven’t seen anyone saying on here that an OCS is better than Winning.

What everyone agrees is that an OCS will create a better atmosphere for students and fans than at RJS.

You keep arguing that is either an OCS or Winning. I’m saying that I rather have both.

Winning an OCS is better than Winning and RJS

 

[smazza]

i was against an ocs forever but it is apparent we need it to compete and to have any chance to get into a real conference

the ocs clearly helped orlando

it will be a much better experience for the students. Many freshman that live on campus dont have a car.

[Triple B]

18 minutes ago, BullShirt said:

And by the way, outside of about a dozen colleges ALL colleges lose money on their sports programs including USF and UCF

Good, so we all agree that this RayJay vs the ocs discussion has nothing to do with making/losing money .....

 

20 minutes ago, BullShirt said:

I'm not onboard with the OCS because I personally think it's a distraction from the bigger issue.

Distraction to who?? If that's basically the only reason you're fixating on this it's a pretty weak argument, imo ....