Of OCS Interest

[MaltLiquorBull]

17 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

I can certainly understand your nephew feeling the way he does since the team didn't perform well during his time attending USF. However, that mentality is the exact reason why we'll not improve as quickly as we all want the program to. Rooting for the other the opponent is just sacrilegious to me.

I hope that he understand down the road how much financial support will help us move forward to where we aspire to get to.

This is where I think the OCS will help the most.  I went to USF before football, but like me, even USF students after 1997 don't have any experiences of a game day atmosphere on their own campus.  I can only imagine what that would be like while I was in college.  I believe that those are the kind of memories that will build a loyal fanbase out of our students--even the ones who attend USF in years where we are down in football.

[86atlbull]

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[pacificd]

33 minutes ago, MaltLiquorBull said:

This is where I think the OCS will help the most.  I went to USF before football, but like me, even USF students after 1997 don't have any experiences of a game day atmosphere on their own campus.  I can only imagine what that would be like while I was in college.  I believe that those are the kind of memories that will build a loyal fanbase out of our students--even the ones who attend USF in years where we are down in football.

This is the single greatest regret I have about my time at USF. There was no football. I would've tailgated starting Wednesday and camped out in front of the stadium until kickoff.

An OCS for the future students is much more important than some old whiny alumn like me.

[Triple B]

25 minutes ago, USFRaider said:

Fans aren't coming back until we are in a better conference.  The team can go undefeated in 23, 24 and 25, and only the 15k to 20k hardcore fans will be in attendance for the home games. Outside of the hardcores, no one is going to come out and see North Texas. No one is going to come out and see UTSA.  No one is going to come out and see Charlotte.  And we already know that no one comes out to see Tulane or Tulsa.  The AAC is death in a pro-sports town like Tampa.

This is total and complete nonsense you keep throwing out there. You keep thinking that people will see a huge difference between UNT/UTSA and Tulsa/Tulane. They won't.

From 2016-2018 we went 28 and 10, not beating any "names" and averaged 36K yet you think we'd average half that with wins over Alabama twice and Florida/Miami once?? Totally absurd. If we have that run, people will be coming to see USF not caring who they're playing. I fully realize you're being a bit hyperbolic with that scenario but it sounds totally ridiculous.

[USFRaider]

3 minutes ago, Triple B said:

This is total and complete nonsense you keep throwing out there. You keep thinking that people will see a huge difference between UNT/UTSA and Tulsa/Tulane. They won't.

From 2016-2018 we went 28 and 10, not beating any "names" and averaged 36K yet you think we'd average half that with wins over Alabama twice and Florida/Miami once?? Totally absurd. If we have that run, people will be coming to see USF not caring who they're playing. I fully realize you're being a bit hyperbolic with that scenario but it sounds totally ridiculous.

Its called an opinion.  Look up the definition sometime.

[Triple B]

Just now, USFRaider said:

Its called an opinion.  Look up the definition sometime.

And opinions can be totally ridiculous at times. Look it up ...

[Sk00b]

If we are competing for championships folks will show up and we will stand on the doorstep of the P5.  If we dont, no one will give a ****. How is this debated over and over? Pretty simple. At any rate, everything is cyclical and we will bounce back. In the meantime, well... ****. 

[Jim Johnson]

6 hours ago, bullsbucsfan426 said:

The firing of CJL didn't help matters- I have to believe that CJL would have kept USF sufficiently winning to avoid getting downgraded. We had 6 losses in 2011 by a score or less and I'm sure that 2010 would have been a quality year as well-CSH's insistence in making BJ Daniels a pocket passer caused clear problems for the offense, and we would have had better depth given who was committed when CJL was fired. Attendance would likely have stayed over 40k and we had a good enough rivalry with WVU to potentially parlay that into getting pulled into the Big 12 with them. 

While I agree the firing and the resulting controversy did not help... you seem to recall CJL as having a better record than in reality.  We never finished higher than 3rd in the Big East and had at least 3 conference losses every season.  Yes, we went bowling every year... in his last three seasons, USF went 25-14 overall but 9-12 in the Big East.... as a comparison, Charlie Strong was 21-16... but 11-13 in the AAC.  I think that CJL would have been fired in another year or two.

As for attendance, USF averaged more than 44,000 across the three Skip Holtz years (not including the FSU game in 2012 for obvious reasons)... even his last season was 39k average.

There's no way to REALLY know... but even with that level of support, I still do not think USF would have made the Big 12 during the first big round of realignment.

[Brad]

48 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:

We never finished higher than 3rd in the Big East and had at least 3 conference losses every season.  Yes, we went bowling every year... in his last three seasons, USF went 25-14 overall but 9-12 in the Big East.... as a comparison, Charlie Strong was 21-16... but 11-13 in the AAC.

With all due respect this is laughable. 

[Triple B]

8 hours ago, bullsbucsfan426 said:

The firing of CJL didn't help matters- I have to believe that CJL would have kept USF sufficiently winning to avoid getting downgraded. We had 6 losses in 2011 by a score or less and I'm sure that 2010 would have been a quality year as well-CSH's insistence in making BJ Daniels a pocket passer caused clear problems for the offense, and we would have had better depth given who was committed when CJL was fired. Attendance would likely have stayed over 40k and we had a good enough rivalry with WVU to potentially parlay that into getting pulled into the Big 12 with them. 

If sufficiently winning in football mattered that much in that round of expansion, Cincy would have been pulled into the Big 12 if the conference wanted a partner for WVU. Sufficiently winning at a higher level than what USF had been didn't save them from getting downgraded.