Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

[DontPushMe]

1 minute ago, TallyBull said:

It's getting a little crazy.

Let's think this through. What are the motivations for joining a "P5" conference?

• More money
• Access to CFP

Set aside the B1G, B12, and SEC for a moment. If your goal is to get into the ACC, but you're giving up the money for 5 years, and the ACC may no longer exist as a "power" conference in 5 years because the B1G, B12, and SEC are going to poach most of your teams, isn't there a significant risk that you will both make no money over that timeframe and ultimately lose what you perceive to be better access to the CFP?

While the G5's access isn't as good as in a P5 conference, it seems like there's momentum of guaranteeing G5 teams at least one, possibly two, spots in the CFP. So if you're making no money and have similar (admittedly not equal) access to the CFP, is this all worth it?

Seems to me like the snooty officials at Stanford and Cal, and the desperate boosters at SMU, haven't really thought this through. I guess the gamble could pay off if the ACC sticks together? But maybe I'm missing something. 

What you aren't factoring in is the national embarrassment of associating your prestigious school with aac or mwc schools. Usf is the only school so blind as to willingly drop down from the big East to the sun belt and think it's OK to tie ourselves to Charlotte, utsa, North Texas, Fau etc. 

 

Ive said all along Stanford will sooner go independent than join up with memphis, Boise etc. Just like we should have gone independent before allowing all the dross into the aac

[Rocky Style]

6 minutes ago, TallyBull said:

Set aside the B1G, B12, and SEC for a moment. If your goal is to get into the ACC, but you're giving up the money for 5 years, and the ACC may no longer exist as a "power" conference in 5 years

Thank you.  I keep trying to say this.  The future is not guaranteed.  More consolidation will be required as the golden media goose dies.

[TallyBull]

7 minutes ago, DontPushMe said:

What you aren't factoring in is the national embarrassment of associating your prestigious school with aac or mwc schools. Usf is the only school so blind as to willingly drop down from the big East to the sun belt and think it's OK to tie ourselves to Charlotte, utsa, North Texas, Fau etc. 

 

Ive said all along Stanford will sooner go independent than join up with memphis, Boise etc. Just like we should have gone independent before allowing all the dross into the aac

I'm pretty sure USF didn't "willingly drop down." And in any case, it's this kind of thinking that makes me really hate CFB. There's lots to love, but also lots to hate. 

I'm not embarrassed that USF is in the AAC. Do I wish they were in a better conference? Sure, but really only because there's this strain of weird elitism involved in CFB, and I want whatever is best for USF. When I push away from the desk and really think about it, it all makes me feel kind of dirty. If Stanford/Cal/SMU are that desperate to avoid us, I'm not sure I really want to share a conference with them anyways. Good luck in the ACC.

I don't understand why folks follow CFB at all if they take such a dim view of their schools. USF started in 1956. Football started in 1997 (I was there). They've come a very long way in a relatively short amount of time. I'm proud of my school. In that sense, I don't care what stupid football conference they're in. 

You do you of course. Those are my two cents. I think I'm going to check out of this realignment thread for a while. Good luck everyone and #GoBulls!

[BullyPulpit]

12 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

Thank you.  I keep trying to say this.  The future is not guaranteed.  More consolidation will be required as the golden media goose dies.

You guys are not thinking about this from a business perspective. It is about perception and protecting the brand. Moderate to minimal short-term loss for long-term gain. Yes, there will be more consolidation, but getting into a P4 conference positions them the best for the next round of "Let's Ruin College Football". 

 

Do this thought experiment. If USF had the booster support right now to forego 5 years of conference media revenue and join the ACC, would you want them to do it? There is no other answer than Absolutely. What Stanford and SMU are trying to do doesn't make sense to you guys because it doesn't benefit USF. 

[belgianbull]

29 minutes ago, DontPushMe said:

The pay and embarrassment of being associated with aac schools is not worth it. 

 

We should be making the same offer, problem is acc would deny us even for free. 

 

If acc adds 2-4 teams and the pac 4 thing doesn't materialize for us it's time to seriously just shut down the program or go full independent. 

I disagree. While I will be disappointed If the Pac doesn't materialize, we just have to keep on improving ourselves, win, built the OCS, and more opportunities will come in the future. Anything is better then not having a program. We just need to keep on being resilient.

[flsportsfan83]

24 minutes ago, BullyPulpit said:

You guys are not thinking about this from a business perspective. It is about perception and protecting the brand. Moderate to minimal short-term loss for long-term gain. Yes, there will be more consolidation, but getting into a P4 conference positions them the best for the next round of "Let's Ruin College Football". 

 

Do this thought experiment. If USF had the booster support right now to forego 5 years of conference media revenue and join the ACC, would you want them to do it? There is no other answer than Absolutely. What Stanford and SMU are trying to do doesn't make sense to you guys because it doesn't benefit USF. 

100% if USF could pull it off without the TV money you absolutely try and get in. Fact is we don't have the money. 

[Cat941]

The continual battle of haves versus have-nots is wearying.  In order to improve our position, it means that we'll compete in the arms race (build better facilities/OCS),  pay our coaches more/spend on NIL for players and then commit to an increasing travel burden as regionality is gone.  That's tough to do on a G5 revenue stream.  The payoff - this year four teams will play in the CFB playoff.  If preseason rankings show us anything, it will be the same teams that are there every year.  Next year the playoff moves to 12 teams, but it's still a longshot for most.  Now, if SMU succeeds in buying their way in to the ACC, the precedent is set that that's the new expectation for teams to join a conference.   Where does all this money come from?  

[Brad]

2 hours ago, TallyBull said:

He’s a jerk and I hate him.

But also, he’s rarely wrong. 

He's often been wrong.  I think you're trying to say he usually has the believable information ahead of many others.

[Brad]

10 hours ago, Triple B said:

Kinda weirdly posted, though .... "RENDERINGS" with an hourglass beside it. What's the significance of that?

Today we're unveiling the renderings for an hour glass to be used to eventually countdown the renders release ....as the last granule of sand pours through the hourglass the renderings shall be revealed.

[Mike Stuben]

Why stop at join the ACC and not take money, maybe they need to sweeten the pot. 

Maybe Stanford, Cal, and SMU would pay $25 million per year for the right to be in the ACC, then the ACC could fix their FSU and Clemson problems. 

This is all insanity. 

Is it time to blow up the whole system and start over?