Bulls ranked #2 in fewest penalties

[DELdaBull]

I believe we are also ranked #1 in fewest FBS victories the last 2 seasons. 

[Ricky the Bull]

We can always count on people finding a way to turn a positive thread into a negative one. 

[puc86]

7 minutes ago, Ricky the Bull said:

We can always count on people finding a way to turn a positive thread into a negative one. 

It’s because objectively it is not positive and has absolutely nothing to do with winning 

[puc86]

I am sorry the facts do not care about your feelings @E.T.. I’ve done the analysis myself and here it is from someone else. There is absolutely no correlation between penalties and wins, nothing, zip, zero, zilch. So if a coach comes in and says that’s one of the things he is going to change to build a winning program he should be immediately disqualified from consideration because he clearly has no idea what the difference between winning and losing is.

College Football: Does penalty yardage really affect wins?

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College football teams who accrue more penalties and rack up that...

 

[USFBULL_08]

I don't mind good penalties and want guys that play on the edge fighting. What I would not like to see are the bad\undisciplined type.

 

[Brad]

I'm all for penalties.  I remember people ******** about our past defenses under Leavitt that through over-aggression would pick up penalties.  We didn't have tackling problems.  However, there are penalties that have a critical impact such as a false start on 4th and goal from the 1.  Hate those.  So, if I had a choice to be winless without 150 yards in penalties or winless with 150 yards in penalties, I'll take the former.  Same for being undefeated.  I thought it was the usual cynical, Leavitt haters that kept pointing out penalties as a reason we could only win 8 or 9 games.  

I might have to read your single source.  As stated above, I am somewhere in between.  There have been games severely impacted by a single penalty.  But season over season analysis, it probably washes out.

[E.T.]

FACT: Penalties are drive killers.  

[puc86]

1 minute ago, USFBULL_08 said:

I don't mind good penalties and want guys that play on the edge fighting. What I would not like to see are the bad\undisciplined type.

 

Now a qualitative discussion of penalties I can definitely get behind. I don’t see what value a false start can bring to you but there are plenty of 15 yard penalties that I think are worth every yard and the easiest way to not be offsides is to not attack and be late off the snap and I don’t think either of those things are necessarily positive.

[puc86]

2 minutes ago, Brad said:

I'm all for penalties.  I remember people ******** about our past defenses under Leavitt that through over-aggression would pick up penalties.  We didn't have tackling problems.  However, there are penalties that have a critical impact such as a false start on 4th and goal from the 1.  Hate those.  So, if I had a choice to be winless without 150 yards in penalties or winless with 150 yards in penalties, I'll take the former.  Same for being undefeated.  I thought it was the usual cynical, Leavitt haters that kept pointing out penalties as a reason we could only win 8 or 9 games.  

I might have to read your single source.  As stated above, I am somewhere in between.  There have been games severely impacted by a single penalty.  But season over season analysis, it probably washes out.

I think penalties of aggression are at least evidence of aggression which I will take over being listless and penalty free, I too think a false start is inherently bad and only evidence of being unpolished while providing no value. The reason I did my analysis when I did it was because I remembered the argument that the penalties were bad under CJL but I also remembered that it seemed like we won a lot more.

[E.T.]

14 minutes ago, puc86 said:

... There is absolutely no correlation between penalties and wins, nothing, zip, zero, zilch. ...

 

So do penalties have anything to do with losing?