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[Peatearpan]

I enjoy the Matte Green helmets that we have, the black so flo jerseys, and the all white jerseys and helmets (the ones with the green outlined bull).

I absolutely hate the shiny gold helmets.

I had mixed emotions about the slime green helmets.

[puc86]

6 hours ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Frost and Milton have about 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% more to do with what is happening in orlando than us firing a coach.. 

Are you saying that if we had kept Leavitt, UCF wouldn't have hired Frost, that Milton wouldn't have followed him? We can turn this into a butterfly effect discussion if you want to but Occam's razor says, CJL's firing didn't really affect UCF.  They are who they are because what they have done.

Yes of course is there is one thing Frost has proven it is that he is a juggernaut completely not impacted by the coaches and teams around him and he would have obviously done as good of a job against an established program than one constantly influx and completely lacking an identity other than being someone that people used to know.

[NewEnglandBull]

22 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Yes of course is there is one thing Frost has proven it is that he is a juggernaut completely not impacted by the coaches and teams around him and he would have obviously done as good of a job against an established program than one constantly influx and completely lacking an identity other than being someone that people used to know.

-7 for run-on sentence...

[puc86]

1 minute ago, NewEnglandBull said:

-7 for run-on sentence...

That’s not even in my top thousand run on sentences on this message board alone. The point still remains that you cannot make it a forgone conclusion that Frost would have ended up at UCF and flourished simply because we gave up faster than the French when we let CJL go, there is a chance that if someone actually made some effort to actually have a program still in place that it could have been a smidge harder for him, ie Nebraska.

[BrassBulls12]

9 hours ago, puc86 said:

Yes of course is there is one thing Frost has proven it is that he is a juggernaut completely not impacted by the coaches and teams around him and he would have obviously done as good of a job against an established program than one constantly influx and completely lacking an identity other than being someone that people used to know.

So we can’t assume what inevitably ended up happening independently of USF would have happened, but we can assume that a fired coach from USF would have hindered the growth the UCF to essentially flip our current conditions ........ got it. 

[puc86]

1 hour ago, BrassBulls12 said:

So we can’t assume what inevitably ended up happening independently of USF would have happened, but we can assume that a fired coach from USF would have hindered the growth the UCF to essentially flip our current conditions ........ got it. 

It’s really not a stretch to say if things stayed the same things would most likely stay the same that’s usually a pretty universally accepted idea, we then changed things and things changed which does not somehow translate into they would have anyway.

[BrassBulls12]

46 minutes ago, puc86 said:

It’s really not a stretch to say if things stayed the same things would most likely stay the same that’s usually a pretty universally accepted idea, we then changed things and things changed which does not somehow translate into they would have anyway.

Except things wouldn't have stayed the same, Leavitt staying wouldn't have stopped us from being the AAC, it wouldn't have made Genshaft change her stances. These are changes that were going to occur with or without Leavitt. But I digress to the point that nothing that has happened over here has had any effect on how good they have become because of how they capitalized on the changes and the decisions that non football coaches have made. Leavitt doesn't change how much support the football program gets from administration. Ra Ra only goes so far. 

[puc86]

1 hour ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Except things wouldn't have stayed the same, Leavitt staying wouldn't have stopped us from being the AAC, it wouldn't have made Genshaft change her stances. These are changes that were going to occur with or without Leavitt. But I digress to the point that nothing that has happened over here has had any effect on how good they have become because of how they capitalized on the changes and the decisions that non football coaches have made. Leavitt doesn't change how much support the football program gets from administration. Ra Ra only goes so far. 

Yes because continuity plays absolutely no part in success despite all evidence to the contrary 

[BrassBulls12]

6 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Yes because continuity plays absolutely no part in success despite all evidence to the contrary 

Minuscule compared to everything else in the context of this discussion. Would it have made us better, maybe, that’s a different discussion. But even then you just can’t say that a CJL lead USF would be a perennial AAC powerhouse. It might have been, might be right where we are because everything else that had nothing to do with him. 

And that's not to say right where we are in the sense of a 1-9 season, but were we are in terms of the pecking order in the AAC. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by BrassBulls12

[Triple B]

32 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Yes because continuity plays absolutely no part in success despite all evidence to the contrary 

I think the more pragmatic approach to that is that success plays a greater part in continuity than the reverse ...