Is our 2017 schedule really as bad as it seems?

[Calibull]

8 hours ago, smazza said:

true but usf's scheduling philosophy may have hurt during last round of p5 conference expansion

I mean I wouldn't say it was the scheduling as opposed to the fact that we sucked for a five year span and at the time of expansion there was no indication we were getting any better. 

[Triple B]

10 hours ago, smazza said:

true but usf's scheduling philosophy may have hurt during last round of p5 conference expansion

1 hour ago, Calibull said:

I mean I wouldn't say it was the scheduling as opposed to the fact that we sucked for a five year span and at the time of expansion there was no indication we were getting any better. 

At the time of the last round of expansion announcements we had sucked for exactly 1 2/3 seasons, not 5. Neither of those things had a thing to do with our not getting picked up ...

[Mama_Bull]

4 hours ago, Gatorbull325 said:

I think our success is a blessing a a curse.  I think some teams might think the risk is too high to play us now. 

Games are scheduled many years in advance.

It's not like USF has sustained success over a number of years.

Some P5 teams just don't want to take any risk when scheduling OOC games.

Coaches can jeopardize their jobs by losing to non power five teams. They realize that a bad team they schedule today can be a good team by the time the game is played and vice versa.

The P5 teams are in the driver's seat. They can pick and choose from a very large pool of non P5 teams.

The best thing USF has going for itself in scheduling is that it is located in FLORIDA which is a hotbed for recruiting. Of course, the same can be said about UCF, FIU and FAU.

P5 teams that wish to make inroads in Florida recruiting, without having to schedule UF, FSU and Miami, will look to play one of the other four Florida D1 schools and try to make the best deal for themselves in the process.

By playing one of US it also allows their Florida players to know that they will get an opportunity to play in front of their family and friends down the road.

Perhaps, some teams might prefer scheduling FIU or FAU, because they have had even less success than USF and UCF. Or, they might just prefer playing them because they want to focus their Florida recruiting in the Miami area.

USF might not agree to the same scheduling deal that one of the other three would accept. P5 teams can use that as leverage when negotiating.

It has always been difficult for USF to schedule and I think that is even more true today.

Edited May 16, 2017 by Mama_Bull

[smazza]

On 5/16/2017 at 3:01 PM, Triple B said:

At the time of the last round of expansion announcements we had sucked for exactly 1 2/3 seasons, not 5. Neither of those things had a thing to do with our not getting picked up ...

by playing pathetic teams we had few signature wins

of course that matters

is it the only reason? no

is it the primary reason? no

[Triple B]

On 5/16/2017 at 6:01 PM, Triple B said:

At the time of the last round of expansion announcements we had sucked for exactly 1 2/3 seasons, not 5. Neither of those things had a thing to do with our not getting picked up ...

 

1 hour ago, smazza said:

by playing pathetic teams we had few signature wins

of course that matters

is it the only reason? no

is it the primary reason? no

Based on who made the cut for expansion and who didn't, there's absolutely no evidence that ooc scheduling mattered at all in the decision, counselor. Haven't checked but I'm guessing that our ooc wins against Auburn, FSU, Miami and Notre Dame in the years leading up to the last expansion were higher profile than most programs that moved. There's more evidence that our lack of financial support from alumni and fans was more heavily involved in the decisions.

[Mama_Bull]

We were able to get a seat at the BCS table because the Big East needed a Florida school to replace Miami.

USF being in CUSA  with Cincy and UL, the other additions to the BE at the time, probably helped our chances to be chosen over UCF.

The ACC doesn't need another Florida team, and both FSU an UM don't want one.

The SEC doesn't need another Florida team, and UF doesn't want one.

Our W/L record wouldn't have mattered to either of them.

The other three conferences don't have any Florida teams, mainly due to geography.

So, until a conference decides it would like expand its geographical footprint by having a Florida presence, USF won't be going anywhere.

I suspect if it does eventually happen, that BOTH USF and UCF would be taken for market share and scheduling reaons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BDYZR]

43 minutes ago, Triple B said:

There's more evidence that our lack of financial support from alumni and fans was more heavily involved in the decisions.

This. And until it improves we're not going anywhere. 

[bullsmeanbusiness]

I know that it isn't in the 2017 season, but we need to get Elon of the schedule for next year. With Wisconsin and GT already on our schedule, if we could manage to pick up another P5 school that would be huge. If we perform life we are expecting that we will this year, a playoff spot in 2018 is definitely a possibility with 3 P5 schools for an OOC.

[Gatorbull325]

There is a chance for Houston, Memphis and Tulsa to be ranked this year. Whomever we play in the AAC title game should be ranked as well. 

[GaUSFBull]

On 5/18/2017 at 2:21 PM, Triple B said:

There's more evidence that our lack of financial support from alumni and fans was more heavily involved in the decisions.

 

On 5/18/2017 at 3:06 PM, BDYZR said:

This. And until it improves we're not going anywhere. 

And we may not get much more financial support from alumni and fans until we move up.