Andre Davis has to sit.

[Who'sYourData?]

 

 

I'm not sure the recruiting dropped off that much with Holtz.  Holtz wasn't able to come up with a QB, that's a big blow.  By the time Holtz was hired it was too late for him to do anything with that first class but try to hang on.  So the current Junior and Senior classes are still mostly Leavitt recruits.  That is who should be leading this team.  I think Leavitt's recruiting had fallen off but he wasn't around to see it.  Not a single Leavitt CB is sniffing the depth chart, and there should be at least two from his recruiting efforts in the top two.

All 2008 recruits (meaning signing day 2008) would be gone even with a redshirt.

2009 DB recruits:

Ricardo Dixon - injured most of his career; transferred to Youngstown state

Jacques jenkins- starter at safety

Kayvon Webster - did not redshirt, playing for broncos

Ivan Nicholas - never made it on campus

Bradley battles- came in as an athlete, saw some time at corner in practice, but primarily at RB. Graduated; had a year left.

Victor Marc- came in as an athlete, saw some time at safety in practice, but primarily at WR. Graduated, no eligibility left.

2010 DB recruits:

Reshard cliett - moved to linebacker

Mark Joyce- starter at safety

Terrence Mitchell- moved to WR and now off team

Curtis Weatherspoon - juco who has 2 years eligibility and played both.

Out of 10 signees: 1 in the NFL; 2 current starters in the defensive backfield; 4 contributed at other positions; 1 never made it; 1 transferred and 1 used up all eligibility at safety.

 

 

 

Yep.  10 signees.  Zero in the two deep at CB.  Only two in the two deep in the secondary. 

 

So basically he was 3 for 10.  And I'm pretty sure that Cliett was a late add, one of the few that Holtz was responsible for.

 

I'm not overly impressed.

It is beyond hilarious that you are trying to argue that Leavitt was bad at recruiting corners/DBs.

That is all, carry on.

 

 

That is not at all what I said.

 

I said that Leavitt's recruiting slipped as time went on.  I think the last three years are proof of that.

 

Obviously there is a contingent on this message board that is obsessed with the ghost of Leavitt and feel he could do no wrong.  But that isn't really realistic.  I recall him leaving the team with virtually no receivers and no scholarship  QBs on the roster behind Daniels.  I'd say that is pretty poor recruiting.  But if you prefer to believe he had a golden glow, more power to you.

[Triple B]

 

 

 

I'm not sure the recruiting dropped off that much with Holtz.  Holtz wasn't able to come up with a QB, that's a big blow.  By the time Holtz was hired it was too late for him to do anything with that first class but try to hang on.  So the current Junior and Senior classes are still mostly Leavitt recruits.  That is who should be leading this team.  I think Leavitt's recruiting had fallen off but he wasn't around to see it.  Not a single Leavitt CB is sniffing the depth chart, and there should be at least two from his recruiting efforts in the top two.

All 2008 recruits (meaning signing day 2008) would be gone even with a redshirt.

2009 DB recruits:

Ricardo Dixon - injured most of his career; transferred to Youngstown state

Jacques jenkins- starter at safety

Kayvon Webster - did not redshirt, playing for broncos

Ivan Nicholas - never made it on campus

Bradley battles- came in as an athlete, saw some time at corner in practice, but primarily at RB. Graduated; had a year left.

Victor Marc- came in as an athlete, saw some time at safety in practice, but primarily at WR. Graduated, no eligibility left.

2010 DB recruits:

Reshard cliett - moved to linebacker

Mark Joyce- starter at safety

Terrence Mitchell- moved to WR and now off team

Curtis Weatherspoon - juco who has 2 years eligibility and played both.

Out of 10 signees: 1 in the NFL; 2 current starters in the defensive backfield; 4 contributed at other positions; 1 never made it; 1 transferred and 1 used up all eligibility at safety.

 

 

 

Yep.  10 signees.  Zero in the two deep at CB.  Only two in the two deep in the secondary. 

 

So basically he was 3 for 10.  And I'm pretty sure that Cliett was a late add, one of the few that Holtz was responsible for.

 

I'm not overly impressed.

It is beyond hilarious that you are trying to argue that Leavitt was bad at recruiting corners/DBs.

That is all, carry on.

 

 

That is not at all what I said.

 

I said that Leavitt's recruiting slipped as time went on.  I think the last three years are proof of that.

 

Obviously there is a contingent on this message board that is obsessed with the ghost of Leavitt and feel he could do no wrong.  But that isn't really realistic.  I recall him leaving the team with virtually no receivers and no scholarship  QBs on the roster behind Daniels.  I'd say that is pretty poor recruiting.  But if you prefer to believe he had a golden glow, more power to you.

 

 

May have had a schollie qb in Carnes if he had stayed .... although no telling how he would have worked here .... and did see that he transferred this Spring to FCS Northern Iowa, one of the FBS  killers the first week ... Played a little but not starting.

[Orlando Bull]

 

 

 

I'm not sure the recruiting dropped off that much with Holtz.  Holtz wasn't able to come up with a QB, that's a big blow.  By the time Holtz was hired it was too late for him to do anything with that first class but try to hang on.  So the current Junior and Senior classes are still mostly Leavitt recruits.  That is who should be leading this team.  I think Leavitt's recruiting had fallen off but he wasn't around to see it.  Not a single Leavitt CB is sniffing the depth chart, and there should be at least two from his recruiting efforts in the top two.

All 2008 recruits (meaning signing day 2008) would be gone even with a redshirt.

2009 DB recruits:

Ricardo Dixon - injured most of his career; transferred to Youngstown state

Jacques jenkins- starter at safety

Kayvon Webster - did not redshirt, playing for broncos

Ivan Nicholas - never made it on campus

Bradley battles- came in as an athlete, saw some time at corner in practice, but primarily at RB. Graduated; had a year left.

Victor Marc- came in as an athlete, saw some time at safety in practice, but primarily at WR. Graduated, no eligibility left.

2010 DB recruits:

Reshard cliett - moved to linebacker

Mark Joyce- starter at safety

Terrence Mitchell- moved to WR and now off team

Curtis Weatherspoon - juco who has 2 years eligibility and played both.

Out of 10 signees: 1 in the NFL; 2 current starters in the defensive backfield; 4 contributed at other positions; 1 never made it; 1 transferred and 1 used up all eligibility at safety.

 

 

 

Yep.  10 signees.  Zero in the two deep at CB.  Only two in the two deep in the secondary. 

 

So basically he was 3 for 10.  And I'm pretty sure that Cliett was a late add, one of the few that Holtz was responsible for.

 

I'm not overly impressed.

It is beyond hilarious that you are trying to argue that Leavitt was bad at recruiting corners/DBs.

That is all, carry on.

 

 

That is not at all what I said.

 

I said that Leavitt's recruiting slipped as time went on.  I think the last three years are proof of that.

 

Obviously there is a contingent on this message board that is obsessed with the ghost of Leavitt and feel he could do no wrong.  But that isn't really realistic.  I recall him leaving the team with virtually no receivers and no scholarship  QBs on the roster behind Daniels.  I'd say that is pretty poor recruiting.  But if you prefer to believe he had a golden glow, more power to you.

 

 

No receivers being Carlton Mitchell (who wouldn't have left if Leavitt didn't get fired), Dontavia Bogan, and Sterling Griffin. OK... I'd take those guys over the heap that we have here any day of the week.

 

As for QB, he would have had Daniels for 3 more years and had Brion Carnes coming in. He may or may not have panned out, but, the QB position wasn't hurting when Leavitt left. Evan Landi may or may not have ended up at QB under Leavitt. If I recall, he was splitting time in practice after Grothe got hurt so that he was ready to go, and, he looked better than Daniels at times in the spring games. So, 2 scholarship QBs and a highly touted dual threat guy coming in. Name me a team that is set at QB 3-deep?

 

As for everything else Leavitt... you're saying 3-for-10 on DBs... I hate to tell you, but, that's probably not a bad statistic, especially for a lower tier BCS team that can't just put on the logo and go out and get top recruits. Most schools lose guys, or have guys that don't pan out. T-Rex was a 4* DB if I recall, I guarantee you that Leavitt would not have moved him to WR and he would have been the next great USF CB. The difference between Leavitt and Holtz was that Leavitt could evaluate talent for himself, and, actually coach someone to improvement over the course of their 4/5 year college career. Leavitt would go out and get a 2* OL with zero offers and turn him into an All-American defensive end. Or, an athletic QB with no offers to play QB and turn him into an NFL safety. Or, a walk-on laughing stock who even the coaching staff made fun of and turn him into an NFL DB.

 

What I don't get is all the people who just can't acknowledge that Leavitt was a good coach, or, feel the need to put any fault for our current situation on a man who coached his last game here over 3 seasons ago. Our demise just has to be something else other than kicking him to the curb. That couldn't be it because apparently we had success in spite of Leavitt. Forget all the good he did, the rise to fame, the passion that he brought to our team and transferred to our fans. Nope, that top-30 class he pulled in during his final year of recruiting was far worse than Holtz did and clearly shows that Leavitt's recruiting was falling off.

[Ravishing Rueb]

I'm not sure the recruiting dropped off that much with Holtz.  Holtz wasn't able to come up with a QB, that's a big blow.  By the time Holtz was hired it was too late for him to do anything with that first class but try to hang on.  So the current Junior and Senior classes are still mostly Leavitt recruits.  That is who should be leading this team.  I think Leavitt's recruiting had fallen off but he wasn't around to see it.  Not a single Leavitt CB is sniffing the depth chart, and there should be at least two from his recruiting efforts in the top two.

All 2008 recruits (meaning signing day 2008) would be gone even with a redshirt.

2009 DB recruits:

Ricardo Dixon - injured most of his career; transferred to Youngstown state

Jacques jenkins- starter at safety

Kayvon Webster - did not redshirt, playing for broncos

Ivan Nicholas - never made it on campus

Bradley battles- came in as an athlete, saw some time at corner in practice, but primarily at RB. Graduated; had a year left.

Victor Marc- came in as an athlete, saw some time at safety in practice, but primarily at WR. Graduated, no eligibility left.

2010 DB recruits:

Reshard cliett - moved to linebacker

Mark Joyce- starter at safety

Terrence Mitchell- moved to WR and now off team

Curtis Weatherspoon - juco who has 2 years eligibility and played both.

Out of 10 signees: 1 in the NFL; 2 current starters in the defensive backfield; 4 contributed at other positions; 1 never made it; 1 transferred and 1 used up all eligibility at safety.

 

Yep.  10 signees.  Zero in the two deep at CB.  Only two in the two deep in the secondary. 

 

So basically he was 3 for 10.  And I'm pretty sure that Cliett was a late add, one of the few that Holtz was responsible for.

 

I'm not overly impressed.

It is beyond hilarious that you are trying to argue that Leavitt was bad at recruiting corners/DBs.

That is all, carry on.

 

That is not at all what I said.

 

I said that Leavitt's recruiting slipped as time went on.  I think the last three years are proof of that.

 

Obviously there is a contingent on this message board that is obsessed with the ghost of Leavitt and feel he could do no wrong.  But that isn't really realistic.  I recall him leaving the team with virtually no receivers and no scholarship  QBs on the roster behind Daniels.  I'd say that is pretty poor recruiting.  But if you prefer to believe he had a golden glow, more power to you.

 

No receivers being Carlton Mitchell (who wouldn't have left if Leavitt didn't get fired), Dontavia Bogan, and Sterling Griffin. OK... I'd take those guys over the heap that we have here any day of the week.

 

As for QB, he would have had Daniels for 3 more years and had Brion Carnes coming in. He may or may not have panned out, but, the QB position wasn't hurting when Leavitt left. Evan Landi may or may not have ended up at QB under Leavitt. If I recall, he was splitting time in practice after Grothe got hurt so that he was ready to go, and, he looked better than Daniels at times in the spring games. So, 2 scholarship QBs and a highly touted dual threat guy coming in. Name me a team that is set at QB 3-deep?

 

As for everything else Leavitt... you're saying 3-for-10 on DBs... I hate to tell you, but, that's probably not a bad statistic, especially for a lower tier BCS team that can't just put on the logo and go out and get top recruits. Most schools lose guys, or have guys that don't pan out. T-Rex was a 4* DB if I recall, I guarantee you that Leavitt would not have moved him to WR and he would have been the next great USF CB. The difference between Leavitt and Holtz was that Leavitt could evaluate talent for himself, and, actually coach someone to improvement over the course of their 4/5 year college career. Leavitt would go out and get a 2* OL with zero offers and turn him into an All-American defensive end. Or, an athletic QB with no offers to play QB and turn him into an NFL safety. Or, a walk-on laughing stock who even the coaching staff made fun of and turn him into an NFL DB.

 

What I don't get is all the people who just can't acknowledge that Leavitt was a good coach, or, feel the need to put any fault for our current situation on a man who coached his last game here over 3 seasons ago. Our demise just has to be something else other than kicking him to the curb. That couldn't be it because apparently we had success in spite of Leavitt. Forget all the good he did, the rise to fame, the passion that he brought to our team and transferred to our fans. Nope, that top-30 class he pulled in during his final year of recruiting was far worse than Holtz did and clearly shows that Leavitt's recruiting was falling off.

Amen. As unproductive as "I miss Leavitt" is, it's a real struggle for me to entertain the notion that Holtz was a comparable recruiter.

[slick1ru2]

 

 

These guys are the best we have. Be mad at Skip. I am.

No way man, this is all on CWT, can't blame Skip for anything anymore since he's gone, or so I've been told ...

I think this is sarcasm, but in seriousness, Holtz left us without a serviceable QB. He left us with players that lacked confidence, mental toughness, and perseverance. He left us players that would rather just not try than try and fail. Just turning around the mental state of the players left by Holtz is one of Taggert's biggest challenges.

How to build confidence after the blowout by McNeese state? How to build an offense without a quarterback talented enough to run it and a weak offensive line?

After these first two games I realize the team is in much worse shape than I expected and Holtz has a lot to do with it. Even Taggart commented he was surprised at the lack of talent he inherited and combine that with the mental state in which Holtz left the team, we are in bad shape.

I'm am very surprised at Holtz's poor performance considering his pedigree.

 

 

 

But in all seriousness, Holtz had a QB lined up, the number 1 dual thread QB in the country and winner of the MVP at the Elite 11. He didn't decommit until Holtz was fired. He also took USF's leading WR in 2011 with him. Much of the rest of what you said is all speculation. A better defensive coordinator and he'd still be at USF. 11 one score losses in 3 seasons says a lot about the DCs he had.

[hbryan]

 

 

 

These guys are the best we have. Be mad at Skip. I am.

No way man, this is all on CWT, can't blame Skip for anything anymore since he's gone, or so I've been told ...

I think this is sarcasm, but in seriousness, Holtz left us without a serviceable QB. He left us with players that lacked confidence, mental toughness, and perseverance. He left us players that would rather just not try than try and fail. Just turning around the mental state of the players left by Holtz is one of Taggert's biggest challenges.

How to build confidence after the blowout by McNeese state? How to build an offense without a quarterback talented enough to run it and a weak offensive line?

After these first two games I realize the team is in much worse shape than I expected and Holtz has a lot to do with it. Even Taggart commented he was surprised at the lack of talent he inherited and combine that with the mental state in which Holtz left the team, we are in bad shape.

I'm am very surprised at Holtz's poor performance considering his pedigree.

 

 

 

But in all seriousness, Holtz had a QB lined up, the number 1 dual thread QB in the country and winner of the MVP at the Elite 11. He didn't decommit until Holtz was fired. He also took USF's leading WR in 2011 with him. Much of the rest of what you said is all speculation. A better defensive coordinator and he'd still be at USF. 11 one score losses in 3 seasons says a lot about the DCs he had.

 

 

You keep blowing sunshine up Skip's skirt and he might just notice 

[Who'sYourData?]

 

No receivers being Carlton Mitchell (who wouldn't have left if Leavitt didn't get fired), Dontavia Bogan, and Sterling Griffin. OK... I'd take those guys over the heap that we have here any day of the week.

 

As for QB, he would have had Daniels for 3 more years and had Brion Carnes coming in. He may or may not have panned out, but, the QB position wasn't hurting when Leavitt left. Evan Landi may or may not have ended up at QB under Leavitt. If I recall, he was splitting time in practice after Grothe got hurt so that he was ready to go, and, he looked better than Daniels at times in the spring games. So, 2 scholarship QBs and a highly touted dual threat guy coming in. Name me a team that is set at QB 3-deep?

 

As for everything else Leavitt... you're saying 3-for-10 on DBs... I hate to tell you, but, that's probably not a bad statistic, especially for a lower tier BCS team that can't just put on the logo and go out and get top recruits. Most schools lose guys, or have guys that don't pan out. T-Rex was a 4* DB if I recall, I guarantee you that Leavitt would not have moved him to WR and he would have been the next great USF CB. The difference between Leavitt and Holtz was that Leavitt could evaluate talent for himself, and, actually coach someone to improvement over the course of their 4/5 year college career. Leavitt would go out and get a 2* OL with zero offers and turn him into an All-American defensive end. Or, an athletic QB with no offers to play QB and turn him into an NFL safety. Or, a walk-on laughing stock who even the coaching staff made fun of and turn him into an NFL DB.

 

What I don't get is all the people who just can't acknowledge that Leavitt was a good coach, or, feel the need to put any fault for our current situation on a man who coached his last game here over 3 seasons ago. Our demise just has to be something else other than kicking him to the curb. That couldn't be it because apparently we had success in spite of Leavitt. Forget all the good he did, the rise to fame, the passion that he brought to our team and transferred to our fans. Nope, that top-30 class he pulled in during his final year of recruiting was far worse than Holtz did and clearly shows that Leavitt's recruiting was falling off.

 

 

Ok, this is getting way off topic.  But since you insist...

 

Leavitt's teams ran 4 and 5 wide sets all the time.  Holtz first season there were something like four healthy scholarship WRs.  If you are running 4 and 5 wide sets, you clearly need to keep WR stocked with 10 to 12 bodies.  Didn't happen.

 

If Carnes (who can't even start at QB at a DII school) had made it to campus, that would have been a grand total of two scholarship QBs, one of whom would have been a true freshman.  

 

Yes, real D1 programs keep more than one scholarship QB and a true freshman or two on their roster.

 

Leavitt did a great job building the program.  I loved Leavitt when he was here.  To pretend the program was in great shape and stocked with talent when he left is just not being honest.  

 

When USF got lucky and turned some fortunate recruiting and good bounces into national recognition, he should have turned that into deep recruiting classes.  He didn't.  He kept recruiting the same way, high risk/high reward.

 

That Top 30 class didn't turn out very well on the field where it counts.

[slick1ru2]

 

 

 

 

These guys are the best we have. Be mad at Skip. I am.

No way man, this is all on CWT, can't blame Skip for anything anymore since he's gone, or so I've been told ...

I think this is sarcasm, but in seriousness, Holtz left us without a serviceable QB. He left us with players that lacked confidence, mental toughness, and perseverance. He left us players that would rather just not try than try and fail. Just turning around the mental state of the players left by Holtz is one of Taggert's biggest challenges.

How to build confidence after the blowout by McNeese state? How to build an offense without a quarterback talented enough to run it and a weak offensive line?

After these first two games I realize the team is in much worse shape than I expected and Holtz has a lot to do with it. Even Taggart commented he was surprised at the lack of talent he inherited and combine that with the mental state in which Holtz left the team, we are in bad shape.

I'm am very surprised at Holtz's poor performance considering his pedigree.

 

 

 

But in all seriousness, Holtz had a QB lined up, the number 1 dual thread QB in the country and winner of the MVP at the Elite 11. He didn't decommit until Holtz was fired. He also took USF's leading WR in 2011 with him. Much of the rest of what you said is all speculation. A better defensive coordinator and he'd still be at USF. 11 one score losses in 3 seasons says a lot about the DCs he had.

 

 

You keep blowing sunshine up Skip's skirt and he might just notice 

 

Hey, LATech beat their cupcake.

[Who'sYourData?]

Back on topic, I hope CWT has Freakshow's attention this week and he has a big game on Saturday.

[slick1ru2]

Back on topic, I hope CWT has Freakshow's attention this week and he has a big game on Saturday.

I hope he has the entire team's attention.