Greed Of 3 Remaining Football Schools Causing Problems.

[CPR]

The only way these ***** schools stop complaining is if they get 20-25 million. I think it's going to come down to a 80/20 split.

[Reliable Source]

Pure money grab. Give em a $1MM each and tell em to

[Knightfan41]

"But the TV contract would be significantly lower without the Big 3."

 

BWaaaaahaaaaaa.....  I like this

 

Oh yes the USF, Uconn and UC market are really driving the negotiations. 

 

No, the A12 is basically CUSA+.  The deal is only slightly better than CUSA is getting now.  The real issue is that all the A12 teams need each other.  No one team is going to make or break the conference at this point.  The new teams all thought that they were joining a conference with Rutgers, Lousiville etc..  Now they are stuck with a completely different animal.  Why should they not be compensated as well?  this money belongs to the conference,Everyone got screwed on this deal. Time to be conference equals or nothing at all.

 

Someone had another good suggestion.  Allow the 3 teams to have the money, but paid out over 5 years.  If they leave to go to another conference in that time period they forfiet those funds. That way they do not bankrupt the conference and then leave with the cash. 

Edited March 8, 2013 by Knightfan41

[GaUSFBull]

this money belongs to the conference,Everyone got screwed on this deal. Time to be conference equals or nothing at all.

That's BS.  If your school and the other newbies didn't see the changing landscape and thought they would be coming in to a stable situation, every last one of your athletic department people should be fired on the spot.  You are basically saying your school's admins are idiots if you think they were blindsided by the defections.  

 

The only teams that have officially been screwed in this deal are the ones who are getting most of the money, and rightfully so.  

 

You're still getting AQ status (if only for one year) that you have craved and begrudged USF for for years now.  And it may not be MUCH better than C-USA, but it is still BETTER.  You're basically equal with us now, and you should be thanking your lucky stars for that.  

 

 

Someone had another good suggestion.  Allow the 3 teams to have the money, but paid out over 5 years.  If they leave to go to another conference in that time period they forfiet those funds. That way they do not bankrupt the conference and then leave with the cash. 

I can actually agree with this.  Whoever leaves would be making a whole lot more $ in their new conference so I think this would be fair.  However, UCF and all the other new ones should get the prorated payments as well, which they would also forfeit if they leave.  

Edited March 8, 2013 by GaUSFBull

[Quo Vadis]

"But the TV contract would be significantly lower without the Big 3."

 

BWaaaaahaaaaaa.....  I like this

 

Oh yes the USF, Uconn and UC market are really driving the negotiations. 

 

No, the A12 is basically CUSA+.  The deal is only slightly better than CUSA is getting now.  The real issue is that all the A12 teams need each other.  No one team is going to make or break the conference at this point.  The new teams all thought that they were joining a conference with Rutgers, Lousiville etc..  Now they are stuck with a completely different animal.  Why should they not be compensated as well?  this money belongs to the conference,Everyone got screwed on this deal. Time to be conference equals or nothing at all.

 

Someone had another good suggestion.  Allow the 3 teams to have the money, but paid out over 5 years.  If they leave to go to another conference in that time period they forfiet those funds. That way they do not bankrupt the conference and then leave with the cash. 

 

I admit that USF is not "driving" the value of the media deal. Hell, the media deal is so lousy that i wouldn't want us to take responsibility for it, LOL. Fact is, none of the football programs have any TV value worth mentioning, and only UConn, Cincy, Memphis, and arguably Temple basketball do, and evidently they aren't worth all that much either. So i do not claim that USF is responsible for more of those media dollars than is UCF.

 

That said, a 90/10 split of the $100 million in Big East legacy money is eminently fair, as who should get those dollars has nothing to do with current media value. It has to do with who participated in the conference during the time those exit, entry, and basketball credit fees were earned, and that means it should go to USF, Cincy, and UConn. Because that's how it works in every conference: Schools get conference money that is "earned" if they are members of the conference when it is earned.

 

So really, the actual split should be 100/0 in our favor. We are entitled to all of it. Thus, a 90/10 split already represents us giving the newbies something they don't deserve. It is a nice good-will gesture on our part, a welcoming gift.  But instead of being thanked for giving you free money, we are getting called "greedy". That takes a big nut-sack, pal. Very ungrateful.

Edited March 8, 2013 by BatonRougeBull87

[Reliable Source]

All this Bull crap about payout over 5 years is just that.Only ones have any right to dictate the terms of the payout of money earned are the remaining members of the conference. We still have ND money coming too. The roaches really come out of the floorboards when they smell something sweet, They have absolutely no say in this issue. As to them not knowing Rut, UL and C7 leaving, well I guess they could always go back where they came from.

Edited March 8, 2013 by Bullwinkle

[Knightfan41]

"But the TV contract would be significantly lower without the Big 3."

 

BWaaaaahaaaaaa.....  I like this

 

Oh yes the USF, Uconn and UC market are really driving the negotiations. 

 

No, the A12 is basically CUSA+.  The deal is only slightly better than CUSA is getting now.  The real issue is that all the A12 teams need each other.  No one team is going to make or break the conference at this point.  The new teams all thought that they were joining a conference with Rutgers, Lousiville etc..  Now they are stuck with a completely different animal.  Why should they not be compensated as well?  this money belongs to the conference,Everyone got screwed on this deal. Time to be conference equals or nothing at all.

 

Someone had another good suggestion.  Allow the 3 teams to have the money, but paid out over 5 years.  If they leave to go to another conference in that time period they forfiet those funds. That way they do not bankrupt the conference and then leave with the cash. 

 

I admit that USF is not "driving" the value of the media deal. Hell, the media deal is so lousy that i wouldn't want us to take responsibility for it, LOL. Fact is, none of the football programs have any TV value worth mentioning, and only UConn, Cincy, Memphis, and arguably Temple basketball do, and evidently they aren't worth all that much either. So i do not claim that USF is responsible for more of those media dollars than is UCF.

 

That said, a 90/10 split of the $100 million in Big East legacy money is eminently fair, as who should get those dollars has nothing to do with current media value. It has to do with who participated in the conference during the time those exit, entry, and basketball credit fees were earned, and that means it should go to USF, Cincy, and UConn. Because that's how it works in every conference: Schools get conference money that is "earned" if they are members of the conference when it is earned.

 

So really, the actual split should be 100/0 in our favor. We are entitled to all of it. Thus, a 90/10 split already represents us giving the newbies something they don't deserve. It is a nice good-will gesture on our part, a welcoming gift.  But instead of being thanked for giving you free money, we are getting called "greedy". That takes a big nut-sack, pal. Very ungrateful.

 

First of all all of this is predicated on the beleif that the new teams are actuall "joining a conference"  If that is the case then all of the schools joined a conference that consisted of various schools.  Each of those school brought value to the conference.  So when they agreed to join there was a certain value they thought they were buying into with the entry fee.  That value was based upon the existing teams and revenue streams including Rutgers etc., and the current and potential value of media money.  When those teams left they pay exit fees to compensate THE CONFERENCE for the future loss in value their departure causes, not the value of already paid and earned TV revenue.  This is revenue above and beyond what is already earned and owed under existing deals.  It compensates for future losses not past value.  Therefore that money should be paid to the conference to help offset everyone's loss.. 

 

Obviously UCF believed they were buying into a conference where the yearly TV revenue would be "x".  They bargained for "x".  after the deal the value for everyone who is now in the conference is "x-departing school". The money being recieved from exiting schools are liquidated damages for "x-departing school".  Thats why they have them in the agreements, because of the harm that exiting the conference does to the media contracts going forward. 

 

The only arguement I see the existing schools having is that "hey the big east is dead,  this is our money as the remaining members of the Big East".  Since there is a new conference everyone starts over fresh.  I get that.  If that is the case however, then the 100 mil should be used in part to pay back any entry fee the new schools have made to join the Big East.  Then everyone should have to pony up some $$ to start the new conference.  Probably the best thing to do anyway.  Under that scenario then the three teams are entitled to the cash.  Not sure everyone would stay in the conference if that were the case.   

[Bull Martin]

Knight fan, it doesn't matter how you spin it on a USF message board.  USF is getting their pile of cash in this and UCF is not.

 

Just be happy and welcome us back to the little leagues.

[GaUSFBull]

  Under that scenario then the three teams are entitled to the cash.  Not sure everyone would stay in the conference if that were the case.   

 

From the original link:

 

The old schools said that none of the new schools were being courted by the major BCS leagues and the best offer they could have received was from the Mountain West, whose new contract is still LESS per year than the deal ESPN and the Big East agreed to last month.

 

Go ahead and leave then, and see what happens ... 

[Who'sYourData?]

"But the TV contract would be significantly lower without the Big 3."

 

BWaaaaahaaaaaa.....  I like this

 

Oh yes the USF, Uconn and UC market are really driving the negotiations. 

 

No, the A12 is basically CUSA+.  The deal is only slightly better than CUSA is getting now.  The real issue is that all the A12 teams need each other.  No one team is going to make or break the conference at this point.  The new teams all thought that they were joining a conference with Rutgers, Lousiville etc..  Now they are stuck with a completely different animal.  Why should they not be compensated as well?  this money belongs to the conference,Everyone got screwed on this deal. Time to be conference equals or nothing at all.

 

Someone had another good suggestion.  Allow the 3 teams to have the money, but paid out over 5 years.  If they leave to go to another conference in that time period they forfiet those funds. That way they do not bankrupt the conference and then leave with the cash. 

 

If not for the other schools bailing out, UCF wouldn't be in the Big East America 12.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  (Not really)