This quote from Holtz rubs me the wrong way !

[usfgrad84]

I knew that. Was being a wise ass.

Interesting stats about Time of Possession. That comes back to game management.

Sometimes Skip likes to run the hurry-up offense when he really should be slowing things down.

If he played to our player's strengths a little more and understood the defense's weaknesses better he would be well advised to take a page from Stan Heath's book and shorten the game.

[Bull94]

I knew that. Was being a wise ass.

Interesting stats about Time of Possession. That comes back to game management.

Sometimes Skip likes to run the hurry-up offense when he really should be slowing things down.

If he played to our player's strengths a little more and understood the defense's weaknesses better he would be well advised to take a page from Stan Heath's book and shorten the game.

absolutely. great analogy with Heath. he showed he really knows his players and can manage a game to suit their skill sets.he used to run clock down on every possession on offense.

interestingly we are #110 this year in TOP. our run game is ranked #83 even though we average over 4 ypc. we have 1 less carry than oklahoma state and 8 more passes. aren't they considered a gun slinging offense? not exactly our strength.

Edited October 3, 2012 by Bull94

[charsibb]

5 pages but I wanted to make a point I don't think I saw on here which is why Skip is not the right fit for USF and why it's not BJ holding us back. BJ has PLENTY enough talent to have won ALL of our games this season. It was the COACHING that sold USF out. 10 points in that USF game were directly responsible to piss poor game management. When your 8 year old son is watching and saying, "Dad, why did they do that?" and all his experience is in playing NCAA football for 2 years! lol EVERY game I've watched this season we have BUTCHERED our use of time outs, challenges/not challenging, play calling etc. You could give this guy a roster of 5 star guys at every position and we'd STILL LOSE games that another guy would win with lesser talent due to game management.

If you've ever played sports chances are you've played on good teams and not so good teams and there's one common thread between those that win more than they lose...the good ones play to their team's strengths and they inspire their team through process or being able to pull diamonds out of the rough.

If we were playing this year's schedule with the teams CJL built and coached during his time with Grothe at the helm, we'd be looking at a 1 loss season TOPS this year. That's how pathetic this schedule is now vs. when the Big East was at it's best since we've been here.

Watch college football and FEW have the escapability and raw physical tools BJ has. Do you see any other QBs breaking off the types of runs he does? The long ball he hits? Anyone can tell he has NO TOUCH on the 7-15 yard passes so guess what? DON'T CALL THEM and sure as hell don't make 20 out of 25 pass plays these exact type of passes!

The problem is this coaching staff has no friggin clue how to adapt their play calling to his strengths. They should be running the read option with the occasional play action DEEP! I If you gave Saban this team, same talent, we wouldn't go undefeated, but we'd be no worse than a 2 loss team based on coaching alone and devising a game plan that actually plays to his strengths.

Living in Alabama, I have to watch more Alabama games and listen to them on the radio 24/7/365 more than anyone on earth should ever be exposed to. But I can tell you this. Watching Saban call a game vs. Holtz would show how embarrassing our game management is. Half of what makes Saban special is that every season he adapts. When he has a pocket passer whose accurate but not a big arm? He throws slants, screens and button hooks. When he has one with a big arm, but little accuracy, he leans on a strong run game, occasional long passes and lets the defense do their thing.

When you coach, it's like when you play, some have "it" during the heat of the game, and some don't. The ones with "it" always seem to know when they're calling the time out before the play starts vs. watching 30 seconds run off and then calling one. They know when to go for it by knowing where their team "is" at that moment. They can see a weakness or strength and make adjustments to maximize those advantages.

Have you seen ANY of this with Holtz? I hated to see CJL leave, but understand it had to be done and was behind Holtz, but 25 games later or whatever, I've seen enough to know he is OVERWHELMED when the ball kicks off.

If USF wants to move forward, we need an expert who can "own" one side of the ball to give this team an identity. With Saban, it's defense. With Leach it was offense. With Miles it's knowing when to call the crazy ass play he knows they can pull off. Top teams aren't perfectly well rounded most years, they have one thing they do really well and it usually reflects the personality of the coach.

From what I can tell, Holtz brings APR and nice manners. Neither of which wins football games.

"Mic Drop"...

+1

I agree completely. While I certainly couldn't play-call as well, and I doubt I could motivate as well (though that's debatable), I firmly believe even "I" can game-manage better than Skip (and the DC watch-party folks will concur that I believe that - they have to endure me yelling at Skip to call timeout, hurry the troops, spike the ball, etc, etc)

[thebouncer1898]

5 pages but I wanted to make a point I don't think I saw on here which is why Skip is not the right fit for USF and why it's not BJ holding us back. BJ has PLENTY enough talent to have won ALL of our games this season. It was the COACHING that sold USF out. 10 points in that USF game were directly responsible to piss poor game management. When your 8 year old son is watching and saying, "Dad, why did they do that?" and all his experience is in playing NCAA football for 2 years! lol EVERY game I've watched this season we have BUTCHERED our use of time outs, challenges/not challenging, play calling etc. You could give this guy a roster of 5 star guys at every position and we'd STILL LOSE games that another guy would win with lesser talent due to game management.

If you've ever played sports chances are you've played on good teams and not so good teams and there's one common thread between those that win more than they lose...the good ones play to their team's strengths and they inspire their team through process or being able to pull diamonds out of the rough.

If we were playing this year's schedule with the teams CJL built and coached during his time with Grothe at the helm, we'd be looking at a 1 loss season TOPS this year. That's how pathetic this schedule is now vs. when the Big East was at it's best since we've been here.

Watch college football and FEW have the escapability and raw physical tools BJ has. Do you see any other QBs breaking off the types of runs he does? The long ball he hits? Anyone can tell he has NO TOUCH on the 7-15 yard passes so guess what? DON'T CALL THEM and sure as hell don't make 20 out of 25 pass plays these exact type of passes!

The problem is this coaching staff has no friggin clue how to adapt their play calling to his strengths. They should be running the read option with the occasional play action DEEP! I If you gave Saban this team, same talent, we wouldn't go undefeated, but we'd be no worse than a 2 loss team based on coaching alone and devising a game plan that actually plays to his strengths.

Living in Alabama, I have to watch more Alabama games and listen to them on the radio 24/7/365 more than anyone on earth should ever be exposed to. But I can tell you this. Watching Saban call a game vs. Holtz would show how embarrassing our game management is. Half of what makes Saban special is that every season he adapts. When he has a pocket passer whose accurate but not a big arm? He throws slants, screens and button hooks. When he has one with a big arm, but little accuracy, he leans on a strong run game, occasional long passes and lets the defense do their thing.

When you coach, it's like when you play, some have "it" during the heat of the game, and some don't. The ones with "it" always seem to know when they're calling the time out before the play starts vs. watching 30 seconds run off and then calling one. They know when to go for it by knowing where their team "is" at that moment. They can see a weakness or strength and make adjustments to maximize those advantages.

Have you seen ANY of this with Holtz? I hated to see CJL leave, but understand it had to be done and was behind Holtz, but 25 games later or whatever, I've seen enough to know he is OVERWHELMED when the ball kicks off.

If USF wants to move forward, we need an expert who can "own" one side of the ball to give this team an identity. With Saban, it's defense. With Leach it was offense. With Miles it's knowing when to call the crazy ass play he knows they can pull off. Top teams aren't perfectly well rounded most years, they have one thing they do really well and it usually reflects the personality of the coach.

From what I can tell, Holtz brings APR and nice manners. Neither of which wins football games.

"Mic Drop"...

very good post.

les miles wins with below average QB play all the time.

2010 they go 11-2

Jordan Jefferson had a QB rating of 115 with 7 passing TDs and 10 picks

last year kansas state went 10-2 with a QB that had 317 carries and a 3.6 ypc average. his passing and rushing stats w ere worse than BJs

great coaches find a way to win

give any of those coaches our roster and they easily compete for conference title.

LSU also has top talent surrounding their QB's at every position on both sides of the ball.

USF....doesn't.

LSU has WR's **** near every year who are top picks at the next level. Their ability to run the ball consistently year after year is another contributing factor to their success. They are as deep at RB as any school in the country, except maybe Georgia.

LSU also has talent on the defense that every school in the country wants. Last year, they had 5 guys in the secondary who will go pro, plus a defensive line that is full of future pros.

I know you were trying to compare QB play, but that's impossible to do when you are trying to compare an elite, national-title contending program with a middle of the pack program like USF.

[MikeG]

you're paying for that mic you dropped and broke, idiot

[zarnozdabull]

5 pages but I wanted to make a point I don't think I saw on here which is why Skip is not the right fit for USF and why it's not BJ holding us back. BJ has PLENTY enough talent to have won ALL of our games this season. It was the COACHING that sold USF out. 10 points in that USF game were directly responsible to piss poor game management. When your 8 year old son is watching and saying, "Dad, why did they do that?" and all his experience is in playing NCAA football for 2 years! lol EVERY game I've watched this season we have BUTCHERED our use of time outs, challenges/not challenging, play calling etc. You could give this guy a roster of 5 star guys at every position and we'd STILL LOSE games that another guy would win with lesser talent due to game management.

If you've ever played sports chances are you've played on good teams and not so good teams and there's one common thread between those that win more than they lose...the good ones play to their team's strengths and they inspire their team through process or being able to pull diamonds out of the rough.

If we were playing this year's schedule with the teams CJL built and coached during his time with Grothe at the helm, we'd be looking at a 1 loss season TOPS this year. That's how pathetic this schedule is now vs. when the Big East was at it's best since we've been here.

Watch college football and FEW have the escapability and raw physical tools BJ has. Do you see any other QBs breaking off the types of runs he does? The long ball he hits? Anyone can tell he has NO TOUCH on the 7-15 yard passes so guess what? DON'T CALL THEM and sure as hell don't make 20 out of 25 pass plays these exact type of passes!

The problem is this coaching staff has no friggin clue how to adapt their play calling to his strengths. They should be running the read option with the occasional play action DEEP! I If you gave Saban this team, same talent, we wouldn't go undefeated, but we'd be no worse than a 2 loss team based on coaching alone and devising a game plan that actually plays to his strengths.

Living in Alabama, I have to watch more Alabama games and listen to them on the radio 24/7/365 more than anyone on earth should ever be exposed to. But I can tell you this. Watching Saban call a game vs. Holtz would show how embarrassing our game management is. Half of what makes Saban special is that every season he adapts. When he has a pocket passer whose accurate but not a big arm? He throws slants, screens and button hooks. When he has one with a big arm, but little accuracy, he leans on a strong run game, occasional long passes and lets the defense do their thing.

When you coach, it's like when you play, some have "it" during the heat of the game, and some don't. The ones with "it" always seem to know when they're calling the time out before the play starts vs. watching 30 seconds run off and then calling one. They know when to go for it by knowing where their team "is" at that moment. They can see a weakness or strength and make adjustments to maximize those advantages.

Have you seen ANY of this with Holtz? I hated to see CJL leave, but understand it had to be done and was behind Holtz, but 25 games later or whatever, I've seen enough to know he is OVERWHELMED when the ball kicks off.

If USF wants to move forward, we need an expert who can "own" one side of the ball to give this team an identity. With Saban, it's defense. With Leach it was offense. With Miles it's knowing when to call the crazy ass play he knows they can pull off. Top teams aren't perfectly well rounded most years, they have one thing they do really well and it usually reflects the personality of the coach.

From what I can tell, Holtz brings APR and nice manners. Neither of which wins football games.

"Mic Drop"...

very good post.

les miles wins with below average QB play all the time.

2010 they go 11-2

Jordan Jefferson had a QB rating of 115 with 7 passing TDs and 10 picks

last year kansas state went 10-2 with a QB that had 317 carries and a 3.6 ypc average. his passing and rushing stats w ere worse than BJs

great coaches find a way to win

give any of those coaches our roster and they easily compete for conference title.

Kansas State must have had a great defense then. Who was their DC? We should hire him...wait...scratch that idea.

nah they were bottom half of country. cosh is running skip's defense though.

kansas state's coach just knew how to shorten games and keep other teams offense off the field. #4 in the country for time of possession. even with the #108 passing offense in country.

here's an interesting stat. we were #110 in country for TOP even with the #1 rushing offense in conference and #31 rushing offense (just 2 spots behind ksu) in the country. odd.

No such thing. Skip and Fitch make the offensive playcalling and stay away from defense and their playcalling a good amount of the game, which makes sense because Skip's career as player and coach have all revolved around the offense. Kind of like CJL and the offense when he was here. Cosh is the problem.

Edited October 3, 2012 by zarnozdabull

[Bull94]

5 pages but I wanted to make a point I don't think I saw on here which is why Skip is not the right fit for USF and why it's not BJ holding us back. BJ has PLENTY enough talent to have won ALL of our games this season. It was the COACHING that sold USF out. 10 points in that USF game were directly responsible to piss poor game management. When your 8 year old son is watching and saying, "Dad, why did they do that?" and all his experience is in playing NCAA football for 2 years! lol EVERY game I've watched this season we have BUTCHERED our use of time outs, challenges/not challenging, play calling etc. You could give this guy a roster of 5 star guys at every position and we'd STILL LOSE games that another guy would win with lesser talent due to game management.

If you've ever played sports chances are you've played on good teams and not so good teams and there's one common thread between those that win more than they lose...the good ones play to their team's strengths and they inspire their team through process or being able to pull diamonds out of the rough.

If we were playing this year's schedule with the teams CJL built and coached during his time with Grothe at the helm, we'd be looking at a 1 loss season TOPS this year. That's how pathetic this schedule is now vs. when the Big East was at it's best since we've been here.

Watch college football and FEW have the escapability and raw physical tools BJ has. Do you see any other QBs breaking off the types of runs he does? The long ball he hits? Anyone can tell he has NO TOUCH on the 7-15 yard passes so guess what? DON'T CALL THEM and sure as hell don't make 20 out of 25 pass plays these exact type of passes!

The problem is this coaching staff has no friggin clue how to adapt their play calling to his strengths. They should be running the read option with the occasional play action DEEP! I If you gave Saban this team, same talent, we wouldn't go undefeated, but we'd be no worse than a 2 loss team based on coaching alone and devising a game plan that actually plays to his strengths.

Living in Alabama, I have to watch more Alabama games and listen to them on the radio 24/7/365 more than anyone on earth should ever be exposed to. But I can tell you this. Watching Saban call a game vs. Holtz would show how embarrassing our game management is. Half of what makes Saban special is that every season he adapts. When he has a pocket passer whose accurate but not a big arm? He throws slants, screens and button hooks. When he has one with a big arm, but little accuracy, he leans on a strong run game, occasional long passes and lets the defense do their thing.

When you coach, it's like when you play, some have "it" during the heat of the game, and some don't. The ones with "it" always seem to know when they're calling the time out before the play starts vs. watching 30 seconds run off and then calling one. They know when to go for it by knowing where their team "is" at that moment. They can see a weakness or strength and make adjustments to maximize those advantages.

Have you seen ANY of this with Holtz? I hated to see CJL leave, but understand it had to be done and was behind Holtz, but 25 games later or whatever, I've seen enough to know he is OVERWHELMED when the ball kicks off.

If USF wants to move forward, we need an expert who can "own" one side of the ball to give this team an identity. With Saban, it's defense. With Leach it was offense. With Miles it's knowing when to call the crazy ass play he knows they can pull off. Top teams aren't perfectly well rounded most years, they have one thing they do really well and it usually reflects the personality of the coach.

From what I can tell, Holtz brings APR and nice manners. Neither of which wins football games.

"Mic Drop"...

very good post.

les miles wins with below average QB play all the time.

2010 they go 11-2

Jordan Jefferson had a QB rating of 115 with 7 passing TDs and 10 picks

last year kansas state went 10-2 with a QB that had 317 carries and a 3.6 ypc average. his passing and rushing stats w ere worse than BJs

great coaches find a way to win

give any of those coaches our roster and they easily compete for conference title.

Kansas State must have had a great defense then. Who was their DC? We should hire him...wait...scratch that idea.

nah they were bottom half of country. cosh is running skip's defense though.

kansas state's coach just knew how to shorten games and keep other teams offense off the field. #4 in the country for time of possession. even with the #108 passing offense in country.

here's an interesting stat. we were #110 in country for TOP even with the #1 rushing offense in conference and #31 rushing offense (just 2 spots behind ksu) in the country. odd.

No such thing. Skip and Fitch make the offensive playcalling and stay away from defense and their playcalling a good amount of the game, which makes sense because Skip's career as player and coach have all revolved around the offense. Kind of like CJL and the offense when he was here. Cosh is the problem.

Greg said he was brought in to run Skip's defense. you think head coach has nothing to say in a defensive scheme? CJL had a say in his offense as well. he may not have called plays but he certainly did have a say in what style of offense was run and the basic philosophy.

[Bull94]

5 pages but I wanted to make a point I don't think I saw on here which is why Skip is not the right fit for USF and why it's not BJ holding us back. BJ has PLENTY enough talent to have won ALL of our games this season. It was the COACHING that sold USF out. 10 points in that USF game were directly responsible to piss poor game management. When your 8 year old son is watching and saying, "Dad, why did they do that?" and all his experience is in playing NCAA football for 2 years! lol EVERY game I've watched this season we have BUTCHERED our use of time outs, challenges/not challenging, play calling etc. You could give this guy a roster of 5 star guys at every position and we'd STILL LOSE games that another guy would win with lesser talent due to game management.

If you've ever played sports chances are you've played on good teams and not so good teams and there's one common thread between those that win more than they lose...the good ones play to their team's strengths and they inspire their team through process or being able to pull diamonds out of the rough.

If we were playing this year's schedule with the teams CJL built and coached during his time with Grothe at the helm, we'd be looking at a 1 loss season TOPS this year. That's how pathetic this schedule is now vs. when the Big East was at it's best since we've been here.

Watch college football and FEW have the escapability and raw physical tools BJ has. Do you see any other QBs breaking off the types of runs he does? The long ball he hits? Anyone can tell he has NO TOUCH on the 7-15 yard passes so guess what? DON'T CALL THEM and sure as hell don't make 20 out of 25 pass plays these exact type of passes!

The problem is this coaching staff has no friggin clue how to adapt their play calling to his strengths. They should be running the read option with the occasional play action DEEP! I If you gave Saban this team, same talent, we wouldn't go undefeated, but we'd be no worse than a 2 loss team based on coaching alone and devising a game plan that actually plays to his strengths.

Living in Alabama, I have to watch more Alabama games and listen to them on the radio 24/7/365 more than anyone on earth should ever be exposed to. But I can tell you this. Watching Saban call a game vs. Holtz would show how embarrassing our game management is. Half of what makes Saban special is that every season he adapts. When he has a pocket passer whose accurate but not a big arm? He throws slants, screens and button hooks. When he has one with a big arm, but little accuracy, he leans on a strong run game, occasional long passes and lets the defense do their thing.

When you coach, it's like when you play, some have "it" during the heat of the game, and some don't. The ones with "it" always seem to know when they're calling the time out before the play starts vs. watching 30 seconds run off and then calling one. They know when to go for it by knowing where their team "is" at that moment. They can see a weakness or strength and make adjustments to maximize those advantages.

Have you seen ANY of this with Holtz? I hated to see CJL leave, but understand it had to be done and was behind Holtz, but 25 games later or whatever, I've seen enough to know he is OVERWHELMED when the ball kicks off.

If USF wants to move forward, we need an expert who can "own" one side of the ball to give this team an identity. With Saban, it's defense. With Leach it was offense. With Miles it's knowing when to call the crazy ass play he knows they can pull off. Top teams aren't perfectly well rounded most years, they have one thing they do really well and it usually reflects the personality of the coach.

From what I can tell, Holtz brings APR and nice manners. Neither of which wins football games.

"Mic Drop"...

very good post.

les miles wins with below average QB play all the time.

2010 they go 11-2

Jordan Jefferson had a QB rating of 115 with 7 passing TDs and 10 picks

last year kansas state went 10-2 with a QB that had 317 carries and a 3.6 ypc average. his passing and rushing stats w ere worse than BJs

great coaches find a way to win

give any of those coaches our roster and they easily compete for conference title.

LSU also has top talent surrounding their QB's at every position on both sides of the ball.

USF....doesn't.

LSU has WR's **** near every year who are top picks at the next level. Their ability to run the ball consistently year after year is another contributing factor to their success. They are as deep at RB as any school in the country, except maybe Georgia.

LSU also has talent on the defense that every school in the country wants. Last year, they had 5 guys in the secondary who will go pro, plus a defensive line that is full of future pros.

I know you were trying to compare QB play, but that's impossible to do when you are trying to compare an elite, national-title contending program with a middle of the pack program like USF.

LSU also plays in a conference that has what 5 national title champs from last 10 years??

they are all loaded with 5 star talent.

name a lsu RB at the pro level. joseph adai?? I can name 2 from alabama from last 2 years. a lot of good those receivers did. like I said jefferson had 7 passing TDs and 10 picks. of course they have a great defense. they were ranked 12th in the country. guess who came in at #17?? you guessed it. USF. 2010 LSU ranked 107 in passing. 6 spots lower than us.

I'm talking about competing in the big east. I'm not talking about competing for national titles. they compete in the SEC with no passing game and they compete for national titles

great coaches are problem solvers, they find a way to win

mediocre coaches see nothing but problems and they use them as excuses for failure.

Edited October 3, 2012 by Bull94

[Gismo]

great coaches are problem solvers, they find a way to win

mediocre coaches see nothing but problems and they use them as excuses for failure.

This is true not only for coaches, but for any leadership role. Successful leaders find a way to get the job done. Skippy has lost the way. All he's found is a way to be a loser. He's not learning from his mistakes.