Watched ESPN's documentary on UM last nite. Imagine if...

[BullDoug]

Dennis Erikson would have struck a player in the locker room at halftime back in the late 80s or even JJ in the mid80s.  It would have been pandimonium.  Maybe even gun fire.  I still can't believe a football player would let a coach strike him in the face TWICE at halftime without knocking the crap out of the coach.  Then the players meally mouth/wishy washy about story during the investigation.  I wonder if Miller's man rocks ever dropped?

[theman123]

That was a great documentary, I really enjoyed watching it.

[cmhatter]

Dennis Erikson would have struck a player in the locker room at halftime back in the late 80s or even JJ in the mid80s.  It would have been pandimonium.  Maybe even gun fire.  I still can't believe a football player would let a coach strike him in the face TWICE at halftime without knocking the crap out of the coach.  Then the players meally mouth/wishy washy about story during the investigation.  I wonder if Miller's man rocks ever dropped?

i surprised he didn't as well...

probly a combination of shock and the fact that the HC owns your future.

great documentary though

[Matt]

miami's lockeroom in the mid 80s was one of a kind.  hence the documentary.

i'm sure players get hit more than we know about.  and there isnt an all out brawl.  HC's in major college football have MAJOR POWER over players. 

no need to question miller as to why he didnt fight back.

[nobull.Bulls]

The miami locker room would've went tony montana of any of there coaches from the 80s hit one of their kids in a way they didnt like.

[BULLSHTR]

do mean this in a racial way? i could see how back then in miami how that would play a big part. that whole team was out of control..but they won.

[Brad]

Dennis Erikson would have struck a player in the locker room at halftime back in the late 80s or even JJ in the mid80s.  It would have been pandimonium.  Maybe even gun fire.  I still can't believe a football player would let a coach strike him in the face TWICE at halftime without knocking the crap out of the coach.  Then the players meally mouth/wishy washy about story during the investigation.  I wonder if Miller's man rocks ever dropped?

i surprised he didn't as well...

probly a combination of shock and the fact that the HC owns your future.

great documentary though

With all due respect if he thought that - he's, well, let's just say "wrong".  Everybody knows that if Leavitt hit him and he reported it, the OCS would bear his name if that's what he wanted.  Or just a stack of money.  His choice.  He would be protected and play football at USF with privilege until his eligibility expired.  The problem was he went to Colby Erskin instead of Doug Woolard.

Costly mistake.

[Matt]

Dennis Erikson would have struck a player in the locker room at halftime back in the late 80s or even JJ in the mid80s.  It would have been pandimonium.  Maybe even gun fire.  I still can't believe a football player would let a coach strike him in the face TWICE at halftime without knocking the crap out of the coach.  Then the players meally mouth/wishy washy about story during the investigation.  I wonder if Miller's man rocks ever dropped?

i surprised he didn't as well...

probly a combination of shock and the fact that the HC owns your future.

great documentary though

With all due respect if he thought that - he's, well, let's just say "wrong".  Everybody knows that if Leavitt hit him and he reported it, the OCS would bear his name if that's what he wanted.  Or just a stack of money.  His choice.  He would be protected and play football at USF with privilege until his eligibility expired.  The problem was he went to Colby Erskin instead of Doug Woolard.

Costly mistake.

Brad...is that what you really think?  do you really think that Joel would have everything his way if he reported it right from the jump?

I think if Brett never made it a story and Joel simply went to Doug then Doug would of just probably had a sit down with the 2 of them and maybe them 'be nice'.

Joel would never be the same in Jim's eyes.  How many employees are when they overstep their managers and go to the bosses boss?

.....

and to be specific because i know how you like to nitpick....

i am not saying what happened in that lockerroom was this or that...but if you really think that all joel needed to do was go straight to doug and everything would be ok for joel then you are wrong.

a walk on vs a multi million dollar, program building coach?  sure, jim could say ok i shouldnt of done that.  but then joel is always a walk-on and probably pulled off of special teams. 

yet you really think that USF would of just jumped down to joel's feet?  and even named a stadium after him?  (obviously that is just your love for embellishment)

[cmhatter]

Dennis Erikson would have struck a player in the locker room at halftime back in the late 80s or even JJ in the mid80s.  It would have been pandimonium.  Maybe even gun fire.  I still can't believe a football player would let a coach strike him in the face TWICE at halftime without knocking the crap out of the coach.  Then the players meally mouth/wishy washy about story during the investigation.  I wonder if Miller's man rocks ever dropped?

i surprised he didn't as well...

probly a combination of shock and the fact that the HC owns your future.

great documentary though

With all due respect if he thought that - he's, well, let's just say "wrong".  Everybody knows that if Leavitt hit him and he reported it, the OCS would bear his name if that's what he wanted.  Or just a stack of money.  His choice.  He would be protected and play football at USF with privilege until his eligibility expired.  The problem was he went to Colby Erskin instead of Doug Woolard.

Costly mistake.

i have told this many times...

Joel never sought out Colby Erskin. They are not friends, and have never been close. THE ENTIRE LOCKER ROOM WAS SWIRLING with who said what and who saw what. If he 'went' to Colby, why would he have been mad? Isn't that what he would have wanted?

how would he get a stack of money for reporting it? His family is wealthy and isn't exaclt hurting for money. They live in a golf course country club neighborhood.

It is laughable to think that if he went straight to Wollard that he would have been protected in any way. Woolard KNEW about this long before the investigation, as did everyone on the football team (players and staff). Sounds like you have listened to a little too much Deumig.

[Brad]

Dennis Erikson would have struck a player in the locker room at halftime back in the late 80s or even JJ in the mid80s.  It would have been pandimonium.  Maybe even gun fire.  I still can't believe a football player would let a coach strike him in the face TWICE at halftime without knocking the crap out of the coach.  Then the players meally mouth/wishy washy about story during the investigation.  I wonder if Miller's man rocks ever dropped?

i surprised he didn't as well...

probly a combination of shock and the fact that the HC owns your future.

great documentary though

With all due respect if he thought that - he's, well, let's just say "wrong".  Everybody knows that if Leavitt hit him and he reported it, the OCS would bear his name if that's what he wanted.  Or just a stack of money.  His choice.  He would be protected and play football at USF with privilege until his eligibility expired.  The problem was he went to Colby Erskin instead of Doug Woolard.

Costly mistake.

i have told this many times...

Joel never sought out Colby Erskin. They are not friends, and have never been close. THE ENTIRE LOCKER ROOM WAS SWIRLING with who said what and who saw what. If he 'went' to Colby, why would he have been mad? Isn't that what he would have wanted?

Erskin' date=' who suffered a season-ending torn ACL in October, was not in the locker room and did not witness the incident, but told investigator Thomas Gonzalez two weeks ago what Miller told him days after the incident occurred.

"Joel told me that coach Leavitt was in his face and yelling at him for getting a penalty on a special teams play," Erskin said. "He said that Coach asked him a question about the play and Joel said he was hesitant to answer. Coach asked him the question a second time and Joel still didn't answer, so Leavitt grabbed him with one hand around Joel's neck and he slapped him twice with the other."

"Joel told me that coach Leavitt was in his face and yelling at him for getting a penalty on a special teams play," Erskin said. "He said that Coach asked him a question about the play and Joel said he was hesitant to answer. Coach asked him the question a second time and Joel still didn't answer, so Leavitt grabbed him with one hand around Joel's neck and he slapped him twice with the other."

Erskin said Miller also told him when Miller went to Leavitt's office to discuss the incident on Nov. 23 that Leavitt told Miller "before you say anything, just know I am the most powerful man in the building."

A few days after that meeting with Leavitt is when Miller asked Erskin for advice, Erskin said.

"He asked me what he thought he should do," Erskin said. "I told him to tell [athletic director] Doug Woolard everything he just told me. He was afraid that he would get kicked off the team or even if he didn't get kicked off the team that Leavitt would never play him. I told him that people that saw what happened would have his back."

This is untrue?