For those thinking changing coaches will help

[BDYZR]

USF slips, slides, goes into a funk, mid-season swoon, chokes, gets out coached, etc., etc.

IF the coaching staff allows the effort displayed in the Rutgers game this year I think they should start at the top and work their way down.

There IS NO EXCUSE for lack of effort. Three years in a row IS NOT ACCEPTABLE in my opinion.

I understand the financial side of this and I think USF will let him finish out his contract because of it, but I sure as heck hope there is a change at that time.

[Guest Sunburned]

 

We have a strong foundation and a change would set us back.

Leavitt was a good cement contractor, but he's a mediocre framing contractor.  The foundation he poured is solid, but the framing is behind schedule, getting shoddy and has been red tagged by the building inspector.   4-3, 4-3, 4-3, 2-5, 3-4

[Bull94]

Regarding Kelly, when he as hired by Cincy ... who was excited in Cincy ? He was a good coach from a MAC team.

Probably the same excitement from L'ville when they hired Kragthorpe (sp?) from Tulsa.

You're rolling the dice.

We have a strong foundation and a change would set us back.

they had to hire those coaches.

I doubt either program thought they were getting a better coach since the guys they replaced were hired away for better jobs.

It's not the same as firing a coach and looking for an upgrade.

I'd rather roll the dice looking for an upgrade then be content with finishing 7-5 and 6th in the BE every year.

The risk (8th in the BE; 2 spots worse) is less than the reward(1st in the BE; 5 spots better).

Leavitt has 2 more years to finish 1st or 2nd in this conference IMO. We are one of 2 programs that haven't done that since we joined(Syracuse) and the other upgraded their coach already.

[Bull Dozer]

Miami also is located directly in the biggest epicenter of football talent on the planet that's a pretty bad comparison.  Especially since they can sell the "stay home and do it for your community tag" which no one other than FIU could even try to say.  

Just because we are in FL is not enough there are already 3 instate entrenched powers that ALWAYS get first pick of the litter, then the out of state big boys come (OSU, OU, USC, Michigan, UGA, LSU Alabama etc) then the middle tier teams like USF and other out of state schools get to fight over the left overs.  Also what do we have to sell to recruits other than playing time and staying in state?  Draft picks (we are dead last in the BE in draft picks since we came into the conference), nope, great facilities, nope, Championships, nope, winning tradition, nope, huge fan base with tons of support, nope.  All of those things matter to recruits especially the draft picks and championships all we have to sell realistically for good recruits who have a good offer list is staying close to home and the possibility of early playing time.   We have far less to offer than than many here think and if establishing a conference winning football program in FL was soooooooo easy then UCF would not be where they are now, FAU and FIU would be in better situations than they are now, and the state would have more football programs than it does now.  Sorry but being in FL and being in a BCS conference is not enough.  

[bulldozier1]

Notre Dame

Since Lou Holtz ...

Bob Davie 35 - 25

Tyrone Willingham 21 - 15

Charlie Weis 35  27

I am not content with not winning a conference and just getting to Bowls, but change doesn't promise a better result.

Alabama

Since Gene Stallings ... (until Saban)

Mike DuBose 24 – 23 

Dennis Franchione 17 – 8

Mike Shula 26 – 23

Iowa

Kirk Ferentz 80 – 55 since 1999

2 conference titles, non since 2004

Lou Holtz and Gene Stallings are good, if not great coaches. Where have you seen in JL coaching career at USF that he has done a great coaching job? Jim is a great recruiter and motivator and that's it. When he motivates, you get games like FSU, Auburn, WV, and Pitt (2001) games. When the team is not motivated, and he has to do some coaching. You get Rutgers, Cincy, Pitt, and Oregon games. Good coaches get the most out of it's talent. If we had Brian Kelly, we would be in a BCS game. I have been running from the truth for awhile. This year open my eyes to the truth about Jimmy. He's simply not a good coach for a BCS team.

[Guest Sunburned]

Miami also is located directly in the biggest epicenter of football talent on the planet that's a pretty bad comparison.  Especially since they can sell the "stay home and do it for your community tag" which no one other than FIU could even try to say.  

Just because we are in FL is not enough there are already 3 instate entrenched powers that ALWAYS get first pick of the litter, then the out of state big boys come (OSU, OU, USC, Michigan, UGA, LSU etc) then the middle tier teams like USF and other out of state schools get to fight over the left overs.  Also what do we have to sell to recruits other than playing time and staying in state?  Draft picks (we are dead last in the BE in draft picks since we came into the conference), nope, great facilities, nope, Championships, nope, winning tradition, nope, huge fan base with tons of support, nope.  All of those things matter to recruits especially the draft picks and championships all we have to sell realistically for good recruits who have a good offer list is staying close to home and the possibility of early playing time.   We have far less to offer than than many here think and if establishing a conference winning football program in FL was soooooooo easy then UCF would not be where they are now, FAU and FIU would be in better situations than they are now, and the state would have more football programs than it does now.  Sorry but being in FL and being in a BCS conference is not enough.  

So,  Cincinnati doesn't face the very same challenge in Ohio or Pitt in Pennsylvania?  Excuses, excuses, when will what we have be enough??  We know what Jim Leavitt has done on the field, but what has he done to build community support, and raise funds for his dining hall, etc.?  Brian Kelly did a lot more for UC's program than winning football games.

[Bull94]

Miami also is located directly in the biggest epicenter of football talent on the planet that's a pretty bad comparison.  Especially since they can sell the "stay home and do it for your community tag" which no one other than FIU could even try to say.  

Just because we are in FL is not enough there are already 3 instate entrenched powers that ALWAYS get first pick of the litter, then the out of state big boys come (OSU, OU, USC, Michigan, UGA, LSU etc) then the middle tier teams like USF and other out of state schools get to fight over the left overs.  Also what do we have to sell to recruits other than playing time and staying in state?  Draft picks (we are dead last in the BE in draft picks since we came into the conference), nope, great facilities, nope, Championships, nope, winning tradition, nope, huge fan base with tons of support, nope.  All of those things matter to recruits especially the draft picks and championships all we have to sell realistically for good recruits who have a good offer list is staying close to home and the possibility of early playing time.   We have far less to offer than than many here think and if establishing a conference winning football program in FL was soooooooo easy then UCF would not be where they are now, FAU and FIU would be in better situations than they are now, and the state would have more football programs than it does now.  Sorry but being in FL and being in a BCS conference is not enough.  

Look at our surrounding counties. I think you could build an all star team out of the talent in this area. There are more 3 and 4 star players in hillsborough county than there are in the entire states of west virginia, ny and connecticut combined. whose fault is it that they have more players drafted?

Miami once had no tradition, draft picks, championships, etc.  same with every other program in this state

You come up with every excuse why we can't compete in the BE.

how about a super bowl stadium with the 2nd largest crowds in our conference? how about facilities good enough for a super bowl champion pittsburgh steelers to use? new athletic center? multiple practice fields? new nutrition center and weight rooms?

when will we have enough to compete in our own conference?

[Cubanbull]

 

We have a strong foundation and a change would set us back.

Leavitt was a good cement contractor, but he's a mediocre framing contractor.  The foundation he poured is solid, but the framing is behind schedule, getting shoddy and has been red tagged by the building inspector.   4-3, 4-3, 4-3, 2-5, 3-4

Guess that also goes for a coach that goes 5-3,3-5,3-5,4-4,3-5

thats 18-22 conference record

35-27 overall record

and 31-27 if you take out the 1AA wins.

so

South Carolina should fire Steve Spurrier

[Cubanbull]

also interesting to notice about the South Carloina comparison

2009 start 5-1 end 2-4

2008 start 5-2 end 2-4

2007 start 6-1 end 0-5

2006 start 5-2 end 3-3

starts 21-6 ends 7-16

USF

2009 start 5-0 end 2-5

2008 start 6-1 end 2-4

2007 start 6-0 end 3-4

2006 start 5-2 end 4-2

starts 22-3 ends 11-15

[E.T.]

And S. Carolina sold out every game when they went winless.