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[USFBulls12]

2 minutes ago, gibbsak said:

During his Alumni tours when Dan Mullen was hired as head coach a UF, he had a story about this kid they didn't really need to try to hard to recruit.  Talked about how this kid from Jacksonville showed up to a game and loved the atmosphere and how he got a ball from a player.  Blah blah, that kid became their third Heisman winner.

The point is, it all goes together.  And it is kind of a chicken and egg thing.  Yes, win and people show up.  But you still need create an atmosphere athletes want to win in.  

Same goes with how out of control NIL is... we won't have a great NIL unless we win, but it will be hard to attract athletes without a good NIL.

I like that they're trying to do something, and realizing that what they have been doing hasn't been working, and are open to getting help.

Nailed it

[olafberserker]

4 minutes ago, gibbsak said:

During his Alumni tours when Dan Mullen was hired as head coach a UF, he had a story about this kid they didn't really need to try to hard to recruit.  Talked about how this kid from Jacksonville showed up to a game and loved the atmosphere and how he got a ball from a player.  Blah blah, that kid became their third Heisman winner.

The point is, it all goes together.  And it is kind of a chicken and egg thing.  Yes, win and people show up.  But you still need create an atmosphere athletes want to win in.  

Same goes with how out of control NIL is... we won't have a great NIL unless we win, but it will be hard to attract athletes without a good NIL.

I like that they're trying to do something, and realizing that what they have been doing hasn't been working, and are open to getting help.

It isn't a chicken or the egg thing ... win and the culture follows ... you can't have a winning culture without the winning

[USFBulls12]

If they're doing the same kind of stuff for WBB, which already brings in a decent crowd for women's college basketball, watch for today's crowd to be quite impressive. If they're adding fuel to an existing fire and today's game is against UCF, could be something to see.

 

MATCHUP: Today @ 2 pm vs. UCF

[USFBulls12]

1 minute ago, olafberserker said:

It isn't a chicken or the egg thing ... win and the culture follows ... you can't have a winning culture without the winning

Scenario 1: You're a talented high school basketball player (or college transfer) and you're deciding whether you want to go to school at USF. South Florida doesn't have a history of winning but you like the staff, you like the school and the area. However, you went to a game and it's boring with a few hundred people in the crowd. It's not really what you imagined playing college ball would be like.. you pass.

Scenario 2: You're a talented high school basketball player (or college transfer) and you're deciding whether you want to go to school at USF. South Florida doesn't have a history of winning but you like the staff, you like the school and the area. However, you went to a game and it's like a giant party, tailgating in the parking lot before the game, thousands of people in the crowd with a jam packed student section. The energy is palpable. It's exciting, you couldn't imagine playing anywhere else, you're convinced. This is EXACTLY what you imagined playing college ball would be like.. you bring your talent to the team and over the next 3-4 seasons you build a team that makes a run deep into the tournament. Success builds greater success. The winning culture is formed because creating the right atmosphere when things weren't so great helped to bring in the building blocks that changed the culture. Now, winning culture exists and fans and future players show up to be a part of the winning culture. 

It definitely is the chicken and the egg.

[olafberserker]

2 minutes ago, USFBulls12 said:

Scenario 1: You're a talented high school basketball player (or college transfer) and you're deciding whether you want to go to school at USF. South Florida doesn't have a history of winning but you like the staff, you like the school and the area. However, you went to a game and it's boring with a few hundred people in the crowd. It's not really what you imagined playing college ball would be like.. you pass.

Scenario 2: You're a talented high school basketball player (or college transfer) and you're deciding whether you want to go to school at USF. South Florida doesn't have a history of winning but you like the staff, you like the school and the area. However, you went to a game and it's like a giant party, tailgating in the parking lot before the game, thousands of people in the crowd with a jam packed student section. The energy is palpable. It's exciting, you couldn't imagine playing anywhere else, you're convinced. This is EXACTLY what you imagined playing college ball would be like.. you bring your talent to the team and over the next 3-4 seasons you build a team that makes a run deep into the tournament. Success builds greater success. The winning culture is formed because creating the right atmosphere when things weren't so great helped to bring in the building blocks that changed the culture. Now, winning culture exists and fans and future players show up to be a part of the winning culture. 

It definitely is the chicken and the egg.

Winning creates a winning culture period.   You don't create this excitement you describe while losing

[Friscobull]

2 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

Winning creates a winning culture period.   You don't create this excitement you describe while losing

I am always the liaison trying to find common ground and for this I believe you are both right.  Sometimes the players feed off the energy provided by the crowd and this helps them win, not sure it is really a chicken and the egg. We need fans, we need to win, we need a lot of things but nothing is really mutually exclusive.  Yes a winning culture is only created by winning however it certainly doesn’t hurt to have a rival and a raucous crowd to get the players excited about playing and winning can become contagious much like us losing. 

[Outlaw]

6 hours ago, bowman1 said:

Fan culture has to come before winning - didn’t you learn anything from CJS?

That culture improved so much though we were so closing to accomplishing anything more than one FBS win.

[Bull Matrix]

The OCS for football will make it even better. There will be spillage over to the other sports…. It will then create a Real Hotdog Environment…

[USFBULL_08]

1 hour ago, olafberserker said:

Winning creates a winning culture period.   You don't create this excitement you describe while losing

You forget they do things differently at USF. It is the fans fault.

Don't blame the school for hiring crappy ADs who hire crappy coaches who can't win.

[olafberserker]

1 hour ago, Friscobull said:

I am always the liaison trying to find common ground and for this I believe you are both right.  Sometimes the players feed off the energy provided by the crowd and this helps them win, not sure it is really a chicken and the egg. We need fans, we need to win, we need a lot of things but nothing is really mutually exclusive.  Yes a winning culture is only created by winning however it certainly doesn’t hurt to have a rival and a raucous crowd to get the players excited about playing and winning can become contagious much like us losing. 

Sure an electric atmosphere helps the team, but you're not going to get that atmosphere very often without W's.  The Cameron Crazies didn't come before Duke basketball became relevant.  They grew out of and with Coach K's and Duke basketball's success.