beastiebull Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 135 Content Count: 3,809 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/26/2001 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) On 4/7/2018 at 6:54 PM, cophbulls said: I wish i could join you in that excitement. Nothing changes, MBB is a revolving door since CSH was shown the door. yea but every 10-12 years or so we get to the point that we are half way decent. Once CBG gets it completely turned back around in 3-4 years we will be just about due. Edited April 9, 2018 by beastiebull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great 8 Posted April 10, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 69 Content Count: 3,802 Reputation: 372 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/21/2009 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) On 4/8/2018 at 8:25 PM, Triple B said: I'm guessing one major part of that systematic problem may be lack of support and USF Athletics job is made tougher by fans looking for reasons not to support ..... but you are correct, you certainly aren't alone. OK, so your answer is to blindly throw money into a void. That's fine. I have a finite amount of it. I'd rather support things that show results and improvement. I haven't seen an iota of improvement in this program since I was a student. They're not getting my support to continue doing that. There's no reason we shouldn't be competing with UCF every year in conference. I'm not talking about a high bar here. I pulled my support after Tags 2nd season as well. _something_ clearly happened that lit a fire under people. You're welcome. Edited April 10, 2018 by The Great 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted April 10, 2018 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,736 Reputation: 10,960 Days Won: 425 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 hours ago, The Great 8 said: OK, so your answer is to blindly throw money into a void. That's fine. I have a finite amount of it. I'd rather support things that show results and improvement. I haven't seen an iota of improvement in this program since I was a student. They're not getting my support to continue doing that. There's no reason we shouldn't be competing with UCF every year in conference. I'm not talking about a high bar here. I pulled my support after Tags 2nd season as well. _something_ clearly happened that lit a fire under people. You're welcome. My answer is you gave Taggart two years (one year following MSU) but in your supposed favorite sport, with a coach you're optimistic about, you don't want to give him any help at all .... and then whine about how we should be competing with UCF every year. Something just doesn't compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorcj Posted April 10, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 8,878 Reputation: 1,266 Days Won: 28 Joined: 07/12/2013 Share Posted April 10, 2018 12 hours ago, The Great 8 said: I pulled my support after Tags 2nd season as well. _something_ clearly happened that lit a fire under people. You're welcome. _something_ could just as easily been a visit from the AD, a heart-to-heart with the players, or maybe just that players had more talent and got the system better. But sure, maybe supporters pulling support was the best motivator... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapelbull Posted April 10, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 3 Content Count: 7,683 Reputation: 1,491 Days Won: 17 Joined: 08/27/2017 Share Posted April 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, raptorcj said: _something_ could just as easily been a visit from the AD, a heart-to-heart with the players, or maybe just that players had more talent and got the system better. But sure, maybe supporters pulling support was the best motivator... it was definitely him pulling his support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted April 10, 2018 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,736 Reputation: 10,960 Days Won: 425 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, raptorcj said: _something_ could just as easily been a visit from the AD, a heart-to-heart with the players, or maybe just that players had more talent and got the system better. But sure, maybe supporters pulling support was the best motivator... 39 minutes ago, chapelbull said: it was definitely him pulling his support We all know it was Harlan installing his offense .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapelbull Posted April 10, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 3 Content Count: 7,683 Reputation: 1,491 Days Won: 17 Joined: 08/27/2017 Share Posted April 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Triple B said: We all know it was Harlan installing his offense .... Well of course, but only after he pulled his support .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted April 10, 2018 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,736 Reputation: 10,960 Days Won: 425 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, chapelbull said: Well of course, but only after he pulled his support .......... Good obsrevation ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great 8 Posted April 11, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 69 Content Count: 3,802 Reputation: 372 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/21/2009 Share Posted April 11, 2018 18 hours ago, Triple B said: My answer is you gave Taggart two years (one year following MSU) but in your supposed favorite sport, with a coach you're optimistic about, you don't want to give him any help at all .... and then whine about how we should be competing with UCF every year. Something just doesn't compute. Again. This isn't tied to one coach. Basketball has been mired in mediocrity the overwhelming majority of my time as a fan. Meanwhile, football exhibited the most meteoric rise in the modern era of college football. One deserved more leash. And yet, basketball got it from me. Until very recently. Football had me thinking it was a waste of money after Holtz and then Taggart subsequently being a moron. Displeased people (fans, boosters, even players) very much influenced the change we saw take place. UCF has passed us largely by taking on debt. Their bet paid off as they now have significantly more donations than we do and a better atmosphere at football and basketball. Pulling financial support is not going to cripple the program. I'm not saying I'm not interested in the program, attending games when I can, etc. But I'm also not subsidizing the program directly until / if things change. And frankly, if they don't change we shouldn't even have a program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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