How big is Ray Jays new one going to be?

[Skingraft]

^^^^^^ Boom

[Triple B]

 

 

 

The problem is it's not the same argument. People keep trying to convince Ned that the Bucs get paid something from the TSA following a USF game when he's never said they didn't. His point, I think, is that there is no legal fiscal connection between USF and the Bucs and he's 100% correct, as far as I can tell.

The point he took issue with, although he has tried to reframe (but is still wrong), is that USF was negatively impacted by the Glazers' robber baron style deal on Ray J. I don't see how any rational person can dispute that, given that a big portion of the money you're paying for Bulls tickets (and basically everything else at a USF game) ends up in their pocket. If the deal had been more equitable (and there are a host of reasons it wasn't, some legit and some not), we would be in better shape financially.

 

 

That's really not accurate. In 2013, I paid $36/game. The rent per game was $165,000 with an average attendance per game of 34,701. There is a per ticket surcharge (Max $2.50). This means that even if the Bucs got 100% of what USF pays the TSA, they'd only get $7.25 of your Bulls ticket money .... not what I would personally call a "big portion".

 

Big portion or not, why?  For doing what? In the community stadium?

 

 

Because that's the deal the TSA made with them to help keep them here. They, being the TSA, must have figured it was worth it for the community in the long run. Same reason Hillsborough and Polk Counties gave millions of dollars in tax breaks to Amazon.

[WWMJD]

 

Big portion or not, why?  For doing what? In the community stadium?

 

 

Because that's the deal the TSA made with them to help keep them here. They, being the TSA, must have figured it was worth it for the community in the long run. Same reason Hillsborough and Polk Counties gave millions of dollars in tax breaks to Amazon.

 

 

There were a ton of factors that played into this beyond just the 'worth it to the community' part, though (although there is an undeniable financial impact from the team's presence here).  Chiefly, the commissioners KNEW that the voters would never buy such a terrible deal, so they tied a ton of public funding for schools, police, etc. to it.  So as it stood at the time it was presented to the community:  "You want school funding?  Well if you want that, you also get a stadium!"  It's not like this was a new tactic - U.S. congress has been doing this for decades with pork barrel legislation... but this instance was a little more egregious, since with normal pork barrel politics, the benefit to a private company is way more veiled than it was here. 

[Skingraft]

Ok..., any word on the screen time?

[Triple B]

Ok..., any word on the screen time?

 

Screen size?

[Triple B]

 

 

Big portion or not, why?  For doing what? In the community stadium?

 

Because that's the deal the TSA made with them to help keep them here. They, being the TSA, must have figured it was worth it for the community in the long run. Same reason Hillsborough and Polk Counties gave millions of dollars in tax breaks to Amazon.

 

 

There were a ton of factors that played into this beyond just the 'worth it to the community' part, though (although there is an undeniable financial impact from the team's presence here).  Chiefly, the commissioners KNEW that the voters would never buy such a terrible deal, so they tied a ton of public funding for schools, police, etc. to it.  So as it stood at the time it was presented to the community:  "You want school funding?  Well if you want that, you also get a stadium!"  It's not like this was a new tactic - U.S. congress has been doing this for decades with pork barrel legislation... but this instance was a little more egregious, since with normal pork barrel politics, the benefit to a private company is way more veiled than it was here.

 

 

I'm guessing the truth is somewhere between what you're saying and this .... 

 

The tax, which passed with 53 percent of the vote, promised new schools, strengthened law enforcement and better roads. It also included money to pay back bonds for Raymond James Stadium, home of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers pro football team.

 

Voters had rejected previous referendums for police and schools, and many thought the 1996 vote succeeded because it included the stadium, which kept the Buccaneers from leaving town.

 

http://tbo.com/news/politics/hillsboroughs-community-investment-tax-tapped-out-b82480305z1

[Skingraft]

Ok..., any word on the screen time?

Screen size?

I've been drinking since noon

[Triple B]

 

 

Ok..., any word on the screen time?

Screen size?

I've been drinking since noon

 

 

That was impressive then ...

[Skingraft]

Thank you; hit the officer club early

[Brad]

As I recall, as a resident of Pasco County, the original vote - the stadium standing alone - failed. Had to add the idea of parks, libraries and schools to reel in the suckers and freeriders. Many weren't even started when RJS completed.