Documentary on College Athletics

[Bull94]

 

 

Notre Dame football players receive an education that costs other students parents $250,000.00. How many kids can earn that kind of money coming out of high school?

 

first off tuition at most universities is way overstated. they want people to feel like they are getting something of greater value. Most students receive a considerable break on the published tuition amounts. secondly ND tuition and fees is said to be $44k per year. that amounts to $75k less than the amount you stated.

 

not many kids can earn that much and not many kids can bring in $100M per year to a university either.

 

BTW UF states in their own student guide that it costs roughly $16k per year which includes a car, insurance, gas, etc. everyday living expenses. not just tuition and room / board.

 

Give the revenue athletes an incentive to graduate. Give them $100k when they receive their degree. a drop in the bucket. say 25 football players graduate a year (it's not even close to that). it would cost the university $2.5M which is a drop in the bucket. adjust ADs and coaches salaries down. let the players earn a few bucks

 

 

The above would be true for those that would be accepted for admission WITHOUT being offered an athletic scholarship...but since most football (and men's basketball players too), would NOT gain admission as a regular student, the $$$ those scholarships, tuition, room & board, private tutoring, etc...(especially for out-of-state students) can be worth up to $200,000 or more over a 4-5 year period rings true.

 

check your math. it doesn't cost the UCF $200k for a football player to attend the school. spreading 85 football players among 50,000 students is like adding 1 seat in a clasroom of 500 students.

[Bull94]

 

 

And that's exactly my argument. 

 

I worked **** hard throughout high school, including working community service (not that I didn't mind) and taking AP courses so I looked better to colleges (and could graduate early) and all kinds of other things one is 'highly suggested' they do to be appealing to colleges. 

 

And my reward? I got accepted. And even though I had absolutely 0 support from anyone (unless you count intentionally having my mom apply for loans knowing she'd be denied instantly, thus giving me more loans in my own name) I paid for my education. Through grants and loans (mostly loans). 

 

And I got my degree. I paid roughly 40k for it. I paid for my food, my clothes, my room, my laptop, my other laptop when that one caught fire, all of it. 

 

 

Why should student athletes be compensated more than that? They already get a free ride to the university of their choice. Athletes here get laptops (Macbook Pro) to use, they get plenty of clothing through UA, they also get free meals and a place to live on campus. 

 

Where's the shortfall? 

revenue sport student athletes bring in BILLIONS of dollars to their universities.

 

it's the athlete part of that equation that is worth billions . not the student part.

 

athletes should get a cut of tv revenue, bowl revenue, jersey revenue and ticket revenue . not only that but they should be allowed to market themselves and profit from it.

 

 

 

Don't disagree, but it should be held in escrow until they graduate. No degree, no payout.

 

completely agree with that.

[charsibb]

 

 

 

Notre Dame football players receive an education that costs other students parents $250,000.00. How many kids can earn that kind of money coming out of high school?

first off tuition at most universities is way overstated. they want people to feel like they are getting something of greater value. Most students receive a considerable break on the published tuition amounts. secondly ND tuition and fees is said to be $44k per year. that amounts to $75k less than the amount you stated.

 

not many kids can earn that much and not many kids can bring in $100M per year to a university either.

 

BTW UF states in their own student guide that it costs roughly $16k per year which includes a car, insurance, gas, etc. everyday living expenses. not just tuition and room / board.

 

Give the revenue athletes an incentive to graduate. Give them $100k when they receive their degree. a drop in the bucket. say 25 football players graduate a year (it's not even close to that). it would cost the university $2.5M which is a drop in the bucket. adjust ADs and coaches salaries down. let the players earn a few bucks

 

Get back to me about that $75k, after you've put two kids through ND.

BTW: Do you know how many D1 School's sports programs run in the black?

 

sorry but ND doesn't cost $62,500 / year. notice how you pick an expensive private school to base your argument. their athletic department brings in nearly $100M and their football program alone bring in $70M. That's $825k for every scholarship player on the team. they are about to sign a $100M deal with under armour.

 

Stop paying coaches and ADs millions per year then we can talk profit and loss. athletic departments aren't meant to operate at a profit even with their funny accounting methods.

 

 

 

What are you, a socialist?

 

Team A pays them that much because if they don't, Team B will. It's called a free market.

[slick1ru2]

And that's exactly my argument. 

 

I worked **** hard throughout high school, including working community service (not that I didn't mind) and taking AP courses so I looked better to colleges (and could graduate early) and all kinds of other things one is 'highly suggested' they do to be appealing to colleges. 

 

And my reward? I got accepted. And even though I had absolutely 0 support from anyone (unless you count intentionally having my mom apply for loans knowing she'd be denied instantly, thus giving me more loans in my own name) I paid for my education. Through grants and loans (mostly loans). 

 

And I got my degree. I paid roughly 40k for it. I paid for my food, my clothes, my room, my laptop, my other laptop when that one caught fire, all of it. 

 

 

Why should student athletes be compensated more than that? They already get a free ride to the university of their choice. Athletes here get laptops (Macbook Pro) to use, they get plenty of clothing through UA, they also get free meals and a place to live on campus. 

 

Where's the shortfall?

revenue sport student athletes bring in BILLIONS of dollars to their universities.

 

it's the athlete part of that equation that is worth billions . not the student part.

 

athletes should get a cut of tv revenue, bowl revenue, jersey revenue and ticket revenue . not only that but they should be allowed to market themselves and profit from it.

 

 

Don't disagree, but it should be held in escrow until they graduate. No degree, no payout.

completely agree with that.

You know how many get cut although doing fine academically? They won't let them continue under scholarship if they slip too far down the depth chart or have a career ending injury. They truly are athlete-students, not the other way around.

Watch the documentary, read the book, they discuss things you've never heard about including about the drug issues, donors paying kids for making plays after the game, bogus jobs, bogus courses, etc..

[slick1ru2]

Notre Dame football players receive an education that costs other students parents $250,000.00. How many kids can earn that kind of money coming out of high school?

first off tuition at most universities is way overstated. they want people to feel like they are getting something of greater value. Most students receive a considerable break on the published tuition amounts. secondly ND tuition and fees is said to be $44k per year. that amounts to $75k less than the amount you stated.

not many kids can earn that much and not many kids can bring in $100M per year to a university either.

BTW UF states in their own student guide that it costs roughly $16k per year which includes a car, insurance, gas, etc. everyday living expenses. not just tuition and room / board.

Give the revenue athletes an incentive to graduate. Give them $100k when they receive their degree. a drop in the bucket. say 25 football players graduate a year (it's not even close to that). it would cost the university $2.5M which is a drop in the bucket. adjust ADs and coaches salaries down. let the players earn a few bucks

Get back to me about that $75k, after you've put two kids through ND.

BTW: Do you know how many D1 School's sports programs run in the black?

sorry but ND doesn't cost $62,500 / year. notice how you pick an expensive private school to base your argument. their athletic department brings in nearly $100M and their football program alone bring in $70M. That's $825k for every scholarship player on the team. they are about to sign a $100M deal with under armour.

Stop paying coaches and ADs millions per year then we can talk profit and loss. athletic departments aren't meant to operate at a profit even with their funny accounting methods.

What are you, a socialist?

Team A pays them that much because if they don't, Team B will. It's called a free market.

When team a and team b are public institutions it would be normal to take bids from qualified applicants and chose the lowest one.

And a free market wouldn't restrict students from working or doing things like sign endorsements, etc.. Or get paid from money they earn from tv contracts, merchandising, etc. from playing. So it's a free market where it suits the schools, or NCAA, only.

Edited February 2, 2014 by slick1ru2

[Bull94]

 

 

 

 

 

Notre Dame football players receive an education that costs other students parents $250,000.00. How many kids can earn that kind of money coming out of high school?

first off tuition at most universities is way overstated. they want people to feel like they are getting something of greater value. Most students receive a considerable break on the published tuition amounts. secondly ND tuition and fees is said to be $44k per year. that amounts to $75k less than the amount you stated.

not many kids can earn that much and not many kids can bring in $100M per year to a university either.

BTW UF states in their own student guide that it costs roughly $16k per year which includes a car, insurance, gas, etc. everyday living expenses. not just tuition and room / board.

Give the revenue athletes an incentive to graduate. Give them $100k when they receive their degree. a drop in the bucket. say 25 football players graduate a year (it's not even close to that). it would cost the university $2.5M which is a drop in the bucket. adjust ADs and coaches salaries down. let the players earn a few bucks

Get back to me about that $75k, after you've put two kids through ND.

BTW: Do you know how many D1 School's sports programs run in the black?

sorry but ND doesn't cost $62,500 / year. notice how you pick an expensive private school to base your argument. their athletic department brings in nearly $100M and their football program alone bring in $70M. That's $825k for every scholarship player on the team. they are about to sign a $100M deal with under armour.

Stop paying coaches and ADs millions per year then we can talk profit and loss. athletic departments aren't meant to operate at a profit even with their funny accounting methods.

What are you, a socialist?

Team A pays them that much because if they don't, Team B will. It's called a free market.

When team a and team b are public institutions it would be normal to take bids from qualified applicants and chose the lowest one.

And a free market wouldn't restrict students from working or doing things like sign endorsements, etc.. Or get paid from money they earn from tv contracts, merchandising, etc. from playing. So it's a free market where it suits the schools, or NCAA, only.

 

funny I'm the socialist because I think the free market should determine how much the players should be paid.

[Apis Bull]

Title IX

[Bull94]

 

 

 

 

Notre Dame football players receive an education that costs other students parents $250,000.00. How many kids can earn that kind of money coming out of high school?

first off tuition at most universities is way overstated. they want people to feel like they are getting something of greater value. Most students receive a considerable break on the published tuition amounts. secondly ND tuition and fees is said to be $44k per year. that amounts to $75k less than the amount you stated.

 

not many kids can earn that much and not many kids can bring in $100M per year to a university either.

 

BTW UF states in their own student guide that it costs roughly $16k per year which includes a car, insurance, gas, etc. everyday living expenses. not just tuition and room / board.

 

Give the revenue athletes an incentive to graduate. Give them $100k when they receive their degree. a drop in the bucket. say 25 football players graduate a year (it's not even close to that). it would cost the university $2.5M which is a drop in the bucket. adjust ADs and coaches salaries down. let the players earn a few bucks

 

Get back to me about that $75k, after you've put two kids through ND.

BTW: Do you know how many D1 School's sports programs run in the black?

 

sorry but ND doesn't cost $62,500 / year. notice how you pick an expensive private school to base your argument. their athletic department brings in nearly $100M and their football program alone bring in $70M. That's $825k for every scholarship player on the team. they are about to sign a $100M deal with under armour.

 

Stop paying coaches and ADs millions per year then we can talk profit and loss. athletic departments aren't meant to operate at a profit even with their funny accounting methods.

 

 

 

What are you, a socialist?

 

Team A pays them that much because if they don't, Team B will. It's called a free market.

 

I'm the furthest thing from a socialist that's why I believe the players should get paid.

 

the alabama's of the world will still be able to get the best coaches and pay them the most. the schools just won't have as much to pay them with due to giving the players their fair share.

[slick1ru2]

Oh yeah, it's definitely capitalism in Alabama. They have the best facilities imaginable and yet 20-25% of the population live below the poverty level.

[Bull94]

Title IX

easy ways around it. give every scholarship player a number of free tickets to each of their events. that's equal benefits. let them sell them

 

something tells me alabama football players will get more for their tickets than alabama field hockey players.

 

then let the players sell their own rights for marketing purposes. manziel will get more than a womans soccer player to endorse something.