Am I the only one?

[Bulls On Parade]

Most fans don't expect a number 2 raiting or national championship dreams....but competing in the big east

and beating teams like ball st and temple shouldnt be to much

to expect from the football team.

[usfbullrider]

low expectations will kill this program. sorry we disagree.

[BigShoop]

The worst thing that happened was 2007? I'll take the travesty of beating auburn, WVU and unc over patiently losing to ball state and temple. But I am, admittedly, often unreasonable.

what is this guy saying? the worst thing to happen was to beat auburn and wvu ?? to be ranked #2?? no the worst thing was to lose to Temple and ball state. unbelievable.

We weren't as good as the polls suggested. It raised expectations way above our level. How is this confusing?

we've had more than 1 QB. obvioulsy not paying attention.blackwell, grothe, daniels, etc. 2 QBs in big east and they may both become total yardage leaders of all time in the conference.

Blackwell was the one I was speaking of. Grothe and Daniels were/are not good Quarterbacks.

we had a guy who is now considered one of the most dominant defensive players in the NFL. so much for no marquee player.

And how dominant was he at USF? Not very. Half of his games were of the "invisible" variety.

I'm so tired of the money excuse for coaches. we have the 2nd highest paid head coach in the big east. leavitt also rose to #2 in big east at one point

I was leaning more towards the assistant coaches. Maybe I should've been more clear. It's about a 70-30 lean towards the assistants.

everyone has a first and second string. everyone has a dropoff from first to second string. another excuse.

The elite teams, the teams USF is compared unfairly to, have interchangeable 1st and 2nd strings. It's called depth. We've never had that.

we have been in the top half of recruiting in big east. nobody thinks we should win national championship. just compete for league title.

So you're arguing that we have had the talent to compete for a league title? We've always had a "if everything goes exactly perfect and we catch every break, we can win the league title" kind of team. That means we're just as close to a .500 Big East team as we've been a Big East Champion team.

[Bull Martin]

I don't get it. You're reasoning makes sense if we're talking about firing Leavitt based on the teams performance after going 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5 or something to that effect.

Talking about a coaching taking over an 8-5 team and going 8-5, 5-7, and 2-4 (losing to 2 of the 3 worst teams on our schedule and almost 3 of 4). Wanting that guy gone makes sense at just about every school in the country. Even in the MAC, WAC, and CUSA.

[BigShoop]

low expectations will kill this program. sorry we disagree.

Not low, reasonable.

[BigShoop]

I don't get it. You're reasoning makes sense if we're talking about firing Leavitt based on the teams performance after going 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5 or something to that effect.

Talking about a coaching taking over an 8-5 team and going 8-5, 5-7, and 2-4 (losing to 2 of the 3 worst teams on our schedule and almost 3 of 4). Wanting that guy gone makes sense at just about every school in the country. Even in the MAC, WAC, and CUSA.

I see the same team now that I saw in 2004. I think the difference between Leavitt and Holtz is minimal.

[Bull94]

The worst thing that happened was 2007? I'll take the travesty of beating auburn, WVU and unc over patiently losing to ball state and temple. But I am, admittedly, often unreasonable.

what is this guy saying? the worst thing to happen was to beat auburn and wvu ?? to be ranked #2?? no the worst thing was to lose to Temple and ball state. unbelievable.

We weren't as good as the polls suggested. It raised expectations way above our level. How is this confusing?

we've had more than 1 QB. obvioulsy not paying attention.blackwell, grothe, daniels, etc. 2 QBs in big east and they may both become total yardage leaders of all time in the conference.

Blackwell was the one I was speaking of. Grothe and Daniels were/are not good Quarterbacks.

we had a guy who is now considered one of the most dominant defensive players in the NFL. so much for no marquee player.

And how dominant was he at USF? Not very. Half of his games were of the "invisible" variety.

I'm so tired of the money excuse for coaches. we have the 2nd highest paid head coach in the big east. leavitt also rose to #2 in big east at one point

I was leaning more towards the assistant coaches. Maybe I should've been more clear. It's about a 70-30 lean towards the assistants.

everyone has a first and second string. everyone has a dropoff from first to second string. another excuse.

The elite teams, the teams USF is compared unfairly to, have interchangeable 1st and 2nd strings. It's called depth. We've never had that.

we have been in the top half of recruiting in big east. nobody thinks we should win national championship. just compete for league title.

So you're arguing that we have had the talent to compete for a league title? We've always had a "if everything goes exactly perfect and we catch every break, we can win the league title" kind of team. That means we're just as close to a .500 Big East team as we've been a Big East Champion team.

we didn't finish #2 in the country. that's the only ranking that matters. again nobody thinks we're a top 5 program and expects top 5 finishes.

Grothe and Daniels are very good college QBs. you must not watch many games but ours. there are some awful QBs out there. Both of them were top half of our conference easily.

he was pretty dominant in that fsu game. he was dominant enough to get drafted early in the first round. we had lock down corners that started all 4 years i believe that were both drafted. one in the first round.

according to the old usa today rankings , our total football salary pool ranked 3rd in the conference. that's for all coaches combined. that had rutgers ahead of us but now they pay their head coach $500k less so obviously we have moved ahead of them. again that excuse worked for the first few years in the big east. not so much anymore.

name on "elite' team in the big east that has interchangeable first and second strings? I can't believe how much people make up on here with no prooof whatsoever.

no we have the type of team that should easily compete for the title once every 4 or 5 years. we don't reload but there is no reason why a senior laden team can't compete

[Bull94]

low expectations will kill this program. sorry we disagree.

Not low, reasonable.

1-6 in conference is reasonable?? 16 returning starters, 24 seniors , 4 year starting qb and 2-4 is reasonable?? wow

[Bull94]

I don't get it. You're reasoning makes sense if we're talking about firing Leavitt based on the teams performance after going 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5 or something to that effect.

Talking about a coaching taking over an 8-5 team and going 8-5, 5-7, and 2-4 (losing to 2 of the 3 worst teams on our schedule and almost 3 of 4). Wanting that guy gone makes sense at just about every school in the country. Even in the MAC, WAC, and CUSA.

I see the same team now that I saw in 2004. I think the difference between Leavitt and Holtz is minimal.

that was 8 years ago?? you're kidding right?? that was 7 years after we played our first game. I hope you don't have kids. wouldn't want your expectations to get too high when they get an A on a math test. you'll be happy with c's and d's on their report card.

Edited October 13, 2012 by Bull94

[Bull94]

A quick peruse of the 1st page today, and everyone is on the "FIRE EVERYONE THEY'RE ALL THE WORST COACHES IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL" bandwagon.

I think that 2007 was the worst thing that could happen to this program.

Expectations were raised SO high and were completely unrealistic. Since that 5-0 start, fans and media alike have been trying to put USF back on that level, when the players on the field have not peformed at the level to warrant it..........not even close. They've competed at the level that their talent and coaching were capable of, which is not what fans and media expected, and therefore created a huge, fake sense of disappointment.

The fans and media following this program have been watching FSU, UF, and UM play at such an elite level for such a long period of time, that it has become.....normal. USF football is proof that it is NOT normal and it is NOT easy to reach that level, much less maintain it. It's a huge uphill climb to reach that level, and you must. be. patient. when. climbing. that. mountain.

- We've never had a top level recruiting class, so how does anyone expect to have a championship level team?

- We've never had a 2nd string that pushed the 1st string for playing time, so how does anyone expect to be able to withstand injuries over a long season?

- We've never had the money to spend on top level assistant(and head) coaching, so how does anyone expect individual players, individual groups of players, and the entire team to be coached and perform in a smart, efficient, mistake-free way?

- We've never had an truly unstoppable, marquee player, on either side of the ball, who could take over a football game.

- We've ony had 1 Quarterback in the history of the program, and it's no coincidence that he led our team to it's best season.

What needs to be done to "fix" the apparent problems? I don't know. How it needs to be handled though, is obvious to me: patience.

You need to just stop. Logic and common sense have absolutely no place on thebullspen and with a large segment of Bulls Fans.

you should go back to Misery board. we will win big east title before you win an sec game.