This is why I still believe in Skip

[gibbsak]

We all WANT him to right the ship..we WANT to win and I would LOVE a CROW BUFFET to eat if he turns this around and becomes a USF Coaching Legend years down the road. As of right now, I just don't see it.

this. I would make it a television event. If we hadnt lost to Temple and BSU I honestly wouldnt even be stressing.

For me, its just as much about HOW we lost to those two teams also, especially Temple. The Defense that played FSU was not the defense that played Temple.

stop blaming this on the QB.....PERIOD!

+1. Our offensive production and BJ not being "Skip's (or even Todd's) QB" has nothing to do with this.

Edited October 10, 2012 by gibbsak

[mikebeau]

Maybe he is better when he gets his own QB and open the playbook more. Maybe he will be better when involving our TEs more. Our offense should be aggressive in the future with a better QB and all of the WRs and good TEs we have (Price/McFarland). I think CSH can help bring us back, but I am just not sure the coordinators are the right fit for this program.

how many touchdowns did BJ allow on defense last week? how many 3rd downs did he give up 1st downs on?

[bullnupe]

So, Skip, just how good are you as a coach?

Holtz pauses, choosing his words carefully.

"If you judge by wins and losses, then I'm not very **** good," he said. "I'm not going to sit and try to argue these numbers. I'm not going to try to sell them and make them look pretty. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.

"If you judge by the health of the program, the academics, the character of the kids … give me time and I think I can give you a lot better answer. The guys we brought in are freshmen and redshirt freshmen. I'd at least like to be here long enough to see them shave."

So, Skip, are you the guy to make this program essential?

"I believe I am," he said. "We've won everywhere we've been, and we've built it the right way."

The ****** play sucks, but I believe Skip is 100% correct. We are 2.5 years into the second-coach-ever's era of a 15-year-old football program. I don't think a rah-rah coach who can pull off an upset or two is ideal. I want a coach who wants to patiently construct a well-rounded program for long-term success.

I think he hears our voice. I'm giving him a chance to right the ship. He has made a few tactical errors, sure, but I'm still in.

http://www.tampabay....ootball/1255678

Mrs Holtz is that you

[Hueyhog20]

I wanted Skip to do well here, thought he was the answer to get us over the hump. But I don't see it now. Maybe having a quarterback who's fitted more for his system (BJD is not the man for it) the offense may be more successful....but we aren't really losing games because of our offense. Our defense is what is killing us, and THERE IS TALENT ON THAT SIDE OF THE BALL. On paper, at least. Skip just doesn't have what it takes to bring the best out of that unit, and it has been that way for two years and counting.

[FatDaddyBull]

I said in another thread,I think I'd give him a chance if he cleaned house within his staff - at least oust the coordinators

This is what I said in Leavitt's final 2 seasons.

Edited October 10, 2012 by FatDaddyBull

[South_Florida_Flip]

stop blaming this on the QB.....PERIOD!

BINGO

[MikeG]

So, Skip, just how good are you as a coach?

Holtz pauses, choosing his words carefully.

"If you judge by wins and losses, then I'm not very **** good," he said. "I'm not going to sit and try to argue these numbers. I'm not going to try to sell them and make them look pretty. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.

"If you judge by the health of the program, the academics, the character of the kids … give me time and I think I can give you a lot better answer. The guys we brought in are freshmen and redshirt freshmen. I'd at least like to be here long enough to see them shave."

So, Skip, are you the guy to make this program essential?

"I believe I am," he said. "We've won everywhere we've been, and we've built it the right way."

The ****** play sucks, but I believe Skip is 100% correct. We are 2.5 years into the second-coach-ever's era of a 15-year-old football program. I don't think a rah-rah coach who can pull off an upset or two is ideal. I want a coach who wants to patiently construct a well-rounded program for long-term success.

I think he hears our voice. I'm giving him a chance to right the ship. He has made a few tactical errors, sure, but I'm still in.

http://www.tampabay....ootball/1255678

just so we are clear-- the ship was fine when he got here. The then 12 year old program he inherited wasn't a teardown or a rebuild-- it was a solid program in place.

so any "righting of the ship" is to fix damage he has made himself or if not him, damage from a lack of maintaining/improving what was in place.

[Quo Vadis]

The ****** play sucks, but I believe Skip is 100% correct. We are 2.5 years into the second-coach-ever's era of a 15-year-old football program. I don't think a rah-rah coach who can pull off an upset or two is ideal. I want a coach who wants to patiently construct a well-rounded program for long-term success.

I think he hears our voice. I'm giving him a chance to right the ship. He has made a few tactical errors, sure, but I'm still in.

Two and a half years is a pretty long time these days. E.g., I've lived in Baton Rouge for a while and remember that when Nick Saban came to LSU in 2000, the Tigers were in the toilet, coming off 4-7 and 3-8 seasons, and with all kinds of academic and off-the-field troubles among the football players. In just his second season, LSU rebounded to win the SEC title and the Sugar Bowl. And how long did it take Urban Meyer to clean up the Ron Zook wreckage and have the Gators on top? And to keep it in the family, Lou Holtz took over Notre Dame in 1986 when they were coming off a 5-6 season and a 58-7 loss to Miami and in year two had them in the Cotton Bowl.

It doesn't take long to right a sinking ship, if you know what you are doing. In our case, we have a program that is worse shape in terms of on-the-field performance than when Skip took over. Losing 10 of 11 Big East (not SEC or Big 12, but Big East) games? That is just ridiculous and gives me no hope for the future.

[MikeG]

I said in another thread,I think I'd give him a chance if he cleaned house within his staff - at least oust the coordinators

This is what I said in Leavitt's final 2 seasons.

first thing Skip did was sh!tcan the old staff and bring in his own guys-- save a few here and there. Was that totally necessary? I can see pruning but to remove some key figures from that staff seemed negligent.

[MikeG]

The ****** play sucks, but I believe Skip is 100% correct. We are 2.5 years into the second-coach-ever's era of a 15-year-old football program. I don't think a rah-rah coach who can pull off an upset or two is ideal. I want a coach who wants to patiently construct a well-rounded program for long-term success.

I think he hears our voice. I'm giving him a chance to right the ship. He has made a few tactical errors, sure, but I'm still in.

Two and a half years is a pretty long time these days. E.g., I've lived in Baton Rouge for a while and remember that when Nick Saban came to LSU in 2000, the Tigers were in the toilet, coming off 4-7 and 3-8 seasons, and with all kinds of academic and off-the-field troubles among the football players. In just his second season, LSU rebounded to win the SEC title and the Sugar Bowl. And how long did it take Urban Meyer to clean up the Ron Zook wreckage and have the Gators on top? And to keep it in the family, Lou Holtz took over Notre Dame in 1986 when they were coming off a 5-6 season and a 58-7 loss to Miami and in year two had them in the Cotton Bowl.

It doesn't take long to right a sinking ship, if you know what you are doing. In our case, we have a program that is worse shape in terms of on-the-field performance than when Skip took over. Losing 10 of 11 Big East (not SEC or Big 12, but Big East) games? That is just ridiculous and gives me no hope for the future.

there are some items you mention that I disagree with (Zook left with a cupboard full of talent -- something Meyer knew)

the one that I don't understand is how you seem to think that USF's ship was sinking when Holtz arrived