Bullshiznitz Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 128 Content Count: 1,768 Reputation: 167 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/26/2001 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) I guess this is fun with data Friday for me.... We also had some discussions this week on the poor defensive play this year, and Burnhams name came up, so wanted to see what effect we've had since he left: 2005-2008 (Wally Burnhams years) 14-14 in Big East play Defense averaged: 307 yds/game against 19.4 pts/game against 2.3 turnovers/game caused 2009-present 7-15 in Big East play Defense averaged: 336 yds/game against 21.2 pts/game against 1.7 turnovers/game caused As you can see, a decline across the board. The extra 2 pts a game may not sound like much, but thats the offense needing an extra score per game. Also, I think more importantly is the rather large decline in turnovers. I think this is one of the things that frustrates me the most. Its bad enough to struggle, but we've seem to have lost (or are in process of losing) the one identity we use to have.....a strong dominating defense. That was always a source of pride I felt as a Bulls fan.....felt like we were building something similar to the FSU 90s teams where people feared playing that defense. Thats definitely not the case anymore. I guess the important thing to note is that as our defense has gotten worse, so has our conference record. Lets hope that Giddens and company can start to turn things around, I want to see people laid out in that FSU game. (Otherwise we're just on the road in need of more coaching changes....sigh). Edited September 21, 2012 by Bullshiznitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltLiquorBull Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 96 Content Count: 4,078 Reputation: 1,389 Days Won: 14 Joined: 01/09/2006 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I guess this is fun with data Friday for me.... We also had some discussions this week on the poor defensive play this year, and Burnhams name came up, so wanted to see what effect we've had since he left: 2005-2008 (Wally Burnhams years) 14-14 in Big East play Defense averaged: 307 yds/game against 19.4 pts/game against 2.3 turnovers/game caused 2009-present 7-15 in Big East play Defense averaged: 336 yds/game against 21.2 pts/game against 1.7 turnovers/game caused As you can see, a decline across the board. The extra 2 pts a game may not sound like much, but thats the offense needing an extra score per game. Also, I think more importantly is the rather large decline in turnovers. I think this is one of the things that frustrates me the most. Its bad enough to struggle, but we've seem to have lost (or are in process of losing) the one identity we use to have.....a strong dominating defense. That was always a source of pride I felt as a Bulls fan.....felt like we were building something similar to the FSU 90s teams where people feared playing that defense. Thats definitely not the case anymore. I guess the important thing to note is that as our defense has gotten worse, so has our conference record. Lets hope that Giddens and company can start to turn things around, I want to see people laid out in that FSU game. (Otherwise we're just on the road in need of more coaching changes....sigh). Great post. I remember having a real strong confidence in the defense. It felt like we could count on them for a 3 and out or to force a turnover when we needed it--not every time, but a lot more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullshiznitz Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 128 Content Count: 1,768 Reputation: 167 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/26/2001 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 Yeah, and thing I forgot to add, is that the defense was facing much more dangerous offenses back then too (during Burnhams years). Offenses led by Ray Rice, Kenny Britt, Steve Slaton, Pat White, Lesean McCoy, Michael Bush, Brian Brohm, etc... and we still performed better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skingraft Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 743 Content Count: 13,357 Reputation: 2,482 Days Won: 63 Joined: 12/11/2006 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I was a WB hater, not sure why now, but I sure do miss his defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDYZR Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 486 Content Count: 12,475 Reputation: 2,855 Days Won: 25 Joined: 12/14/2005 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Walked into the Grand Sierra in Reno, saw the O/U was 56. I said "There's now way they get close to that with our defense." Excuse me while I copy and paste this again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Auman Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 28 Content Count: 1,913 Reputation: 58 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/12/2004 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I don't think I equate a 2-point change in average scoring defense with going from 14-14 to 7-15 ... would think there are other areas where there's been a more significant dropoff. Are those Big East-only stats or for entire season? Sometimes can see a big difference between the two ... good thinking, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullshiznitz Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 128 Content Count: 1,768 Reputation: 167 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/26/2001 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 I don't think I equate a 2-point change in average scoring defense with going from 14-14 to 7-15 ... would think there are other areas where there's been a more significant dropoff. Are those Big East-only stats or for entire season? Sometimes can see a big difference between the two ... good thinking, though. No and I would agree. I think TO margin is more telling. However, you are correct, I just did a down and dirty of overall stats for the year, not just for the Big East (assuming the change would be somewhat similar throughout the year). I'll think I'll go ahead next week, and just load all of these stats in a spreadsheet for easier reference next time (fortunately or unfortunately for you all, I'm an out of work engineering consultant, so I have too much time on my hands right now.....lol). I do think the agression (or lack there of) with the defense since Burnham has left has made an impact on the defense, and the way other teams approach our defense. I'll put the Big East numbers together next week though to see if that makes much of a difference either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulls1181 Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 170 Content Count: 5,722 Reputation: 366 Days Won: 8 Joined: 08/03/2011 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Good stuff. I would like to see sacks and TFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELdaBull Posted September 21, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 86 Content Count: 17,061 Reputation: 1,429 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/15/2005 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Fun with stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted September 22, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted September 22, 2012 14-14 to 7-15 .... both stink... lots of underachieving in big east play regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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