Big East Blog Post RE: BJ

[Bull94]

The previous coaching staff thought Pat Julmiste was a better alternative than Matt Grothe. If it wasn't for a Julmiste injury, who knows when/if Matt would have seen the field.

Is this myth ever going to die ....

What myth??

"Sept. 2

South Florida 41 ... McNeese State 10

It took a while, but South Florida finally disposed of McNeese State with a 27-point fourth quarter with two touchdown runs from Walt Smith, a ten-yard scoring catch from Ean Randolph, and a 52-yard run on the final play of the game by Keeley Dorsey. MSU got a fumble recovery for a score and a field goal, but only gained 163 yards. USF turnovers and ten penalties helped keep the game close..

Player of the game ... South Florida QB Matt Grothe completed nine of 13 passes for 171 yards and two touchdowns and ran ten times for 58 yards and a score.

Stat Leaders: McNeese State - Passing: Derrick Foiurroux, 6-16, 46 yds, 1 INT

Rushing: Derrick Fourroux, 16-70. Receiving: Steve Whitehead, 4-39

USF - Passing: Matt Grothe, 9-13, 171 yds, 2 TD

Rushing: Walt Smith, 7-70, 2 TD. Receiving: Marcus Edwards, 3-62, 1 TD

Whoopty doo. What does it all mean Basil? ... South Florida might have blown out McNeese State, but there's a lot to work on. It took an explosion in the fourth quarter to finally put the game away, and that came from some key backups after injuries hit starting QB Pat Julmiste and RB Moises Plancher. Matt Grothe had a strong, efficient game in Julmiste's place, while Walt Smith averaged ten yards per carry on seven runs. The defense was more than fine and should have few problems shutting down FIU next week. To beat the better Big East teams, the penalties and the turnovers have to stop."

http://cfn.scout.com/2/614453.html

Anybody who around back then knows that they were both going to get the chance to play for the starting job. Grothe was due to play that second half but went in earlier because of the injury ... It is a myth that the only reason he played was PJ's injury.

that's the way I remember it. Leavitt was going to give both a shot at it during live action. I honestly believe they weren't really that close but Leavitt was not going to disrespect julmiste by giving it to grothe before he actually earned it on the field.

[dabull80]

Leavitt would give anyone a chance - remember Courtney Denison (SP?). He gave him a couple tries.

[dabull80]

Team game - Team wins - Team loses - togeather.

[Bull-by-Marriage]

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This article is spot on... BJD is a glorified running back with one hell of an arm... he is not the answer and is holding us back...

you keep saying the same thing over and over again but fail to offer up who you think on our team will not hold us back and is actually a better QB then BJ! Do you honestly think if you sit BJD that the RU game would have come out different? If you do, you are just showing your football IQ.

Matt Floyd so far this year, 3/7 for 19yds against UTC....He came in on one play for the RU game and handed the ball off for negative 3 yds.......Doesn't sound like the answer to me.

Note: I will root for whomever is the QB on the field as a bulls fan!

You're questioning someone's "football IQ", yet you don't like Matt because of less than 20 plays? How do you know how he would do? Fact is, BJ will not be here next year. Matt will, why not give him the chance to show what he can do with the 1st team? He may fall flat on his face, he may excel. No one KNOWS.

I am questioning someone's IQ if you think there would have been a different outcome of the RU game with a different quarterback. Fact is there is alot more wrong with our team then the QB position. Listen, i dont care who plays quarterback for the bulls, I'm just tired of people sayng BJ is holding us back. That is stupid...plain and simple.

Thing is NO ONE KNOWS what would've happened with Matt in at QB. So, to say someone/something is stupid base don pure unadulterated conjecture is stupid. There is a lot wrong with our team, and BJ is part of that. Like I've posted our first play was a read option left, and he blew the read, the left end crashed and he still handed off. That is supposed to be HIS play. Nice kid, great athlete, but not a QB.

BJ will soon be the all time yardage leader in the BE.if he wasn't a decent QB then he wouldn't be on the list. If skip needs joe montana to walk thru the door in order to win then we are in trouble.

we lost to a team with John McEntee as a starting QB last year. He had 103 yards passing,94.1 passer rating and was sacked 7 times.

of course our coaches decided to throw the ball 27 times in a game where Daniels had 10 carries for 65 yards (6.5 ypc average) even when the humidity was not ideal for passing!

1 misread and you think he can't run the read option....

Giant bag of useless stats. I'm tired of the old a$$ argument. He's been the starter for most of 4 years. Of course he's going to get a violation ton of yards. I NEVER said he CAN'T RUN THE OPTION. Your words not mne. it was a misread ON THE FIRST PLAY, God only knows how many more there were. Everyone talks about how we run the wrong offense, BJ can't run any offense, he runs around and throws the ball up in the air. There were several times when he was scrambling that there were players open downfield. His eyes are only focused on where he's running. When are some of you going to taek the kid off of the pedastal and see that he's just NOT a FBS starting QB? There are some gems that are missed, but with BJ there's a reason that many schools passed on him as a QB. W's are ALL that matters, and he doesn't produce enough of them. Are you really using the "humidity" argument? Skip used that last year, and was lambasted (rightly so). Excuse after excuse after excuse. Bottom line BJ is gone next year, Skip may be, but BJ is. Time to fish or cut bait. Go cry about money.

EDIT: If BJ's so flippin great because of the record, then Skip's offense has fit BJ perfectly, or he wouldn't have all of those yards. Make up your mind!!

Edited September 19, 2012 by Bull-by-Marriage

[Bull94]

http://www.bigeastco...-holtz-big-east

This article is spot on... BJD is a glorified running back with one hell of an arm... he is not the answer and is holding us back...

you keep saying the same thing over and over again but fail to offer up who you think on our team will not hold us back and is actually a better QB then BJ! Do you honestly think if you sit BJD that the RU game would have come out different? If you do, you are just showing your football IQ.

Matt Floyd so far this year, 3/7 for 19yds against UTC....He came in on one play for the RU game and handed the ball off for negative 3 yds.......Doesn't sound like the answer to me.

Note: I will root for whomever is the QB on the field as a bulls fan!

You're questioning someone's "football IQ", yet you don't like Matt because of less than 20 plays? How do you know how he would do? Fact is, BJ will not be here next year. Matt will, why not give him the chance to show what he can do with the 1st team? He may fall flat on his face, he may excel. No one KNOWS.

I am questioning someone's IQ if you think there would have been a different outcome of the RU game with a different quarterback. Fact is there is alot more wrong with our team then the QB position. Listen, i dont care who plays quarterback for the bulls, I'm just tired of people sayng BJ is holding us back. That is stupid...plain and simple.

Thing is NO ONE KNOWS what would've happened with Matt in at QB. So, to say someone/something is stupid base don pure unadulterated conjecture is stupid. There is a lot wrong with our team, and BJ is part of that. Like I've posted our first play was a read option left, and he blew the read, the left end crashed and he still handed off. That is supposed to be HIS play. Nice kid, great athlete, but not a QB.

BJ will soon be the all time yardage leader in the BE.if he wasn't a decent QB then he wouldn't be on the list. If skip needs joe montana to walk thru the door in order to win then we are in trouble.

we lost to a team with John McEntee as a starting QB last year. He had 103 yards passing,94.1 passer rating and was sacked 7 times.

of course our coaches decided to throw the ball 27 times in a game where Daniels had 10 carries for 65 yards (6.5 ypc average) even when the humidity was not ideal for passing!

1 misread and you think he can't run the read option....

Giant bag of useless stats. I'm tired of the old a$$ argument. He's been the starter for most of 4 years. Of course he's going to get a violation ton of yards. I NEVER said he CAN'T RUN THE OPTION. Your words not mne. it was a misread ON THE FIRST PLAY, God only knows how many more there were. Everyone talks about how we run the wrong offense, BJ can't run any offense, he runs around and throws the ball up in the air. There were several times when he was scrambling that there were players open downfield. His eyes are only focused on where he's running. When are some of you going to taek the kid off of the pedastal and see that he's just NOT a FBS starting QB? There are some gems that are missed, but with BJ there's a reason that many schools passed on him as a QB. W's are ALL that matters, and he doesn't produce enough of them. Are you really using the "humidity" argument? Skip used that last year, and was lambasted (rightly so). Excuse after excuse after excuse. Bottom line BJ is gone next year, Skip may be, but BJ is. Time to fish or cut bait. Go cry about money.

EDIT: If BJ's so flippin great because of the record, then Skip's offense has fit BJ perfectly, or he wouldn't have all of those yards. Make up your mind!!

the humidity excuse was a joke. I was pointing out the fact that if skippy thought the humidity posed less than ideal throwing conditions then why did he call 27 pass plays(at least)? especially when his QB was averaging 6.5 ypc.

BJ can run an offense. he has proven it time and again. he can pass against weak defensive teams(cincy, nevada, cupcakes) and he can run against good defenses(UF,rutgers, uconn). Is he a top ten college QB? No. I never expected him to be.You must not watch much college football if you think he's not an FBS starting QB though. He's probably the 2nd best QB in our conference.There are some absolutely terrible QBs out there. We have consistently lost to much worse QBs under skip.

I never said BJ was great. not even with the record. I said he was at least decent and yes I think skip should be able to win with him. Yes I think skip uses him wrong. BTW yards don't win games and that's what skip gets paid to do. BTW if you expect your QB to be 92% of the offense then you are likely to lose and he is likely to have a lot of yards.

Edited September 19, 2012 by Bull94

[Bull-by-Marriage]

Bull94: in order to save space I'm not doing the quote thing. You're correct, he is an FBS QB, I over stated that point. But at USF, a decent QB is not enough, nor is decent coach. To say that BJ can run an offense, then have to break down the types of teams that he can run against, and the type of teams that he can throw against is contradictory. Like I said BJ will not be here next year, Skip most likely will. Why not give Matt a chance to show what he can do? Why not bring in Matt to run a more conventional offense, and use BJ to run more of a situational offense.

[DELdaBull]

BBM,

That makes it even easier to guard this piSs poor offense.

Look at the blocking.

Look at the WR "routes"

Look at the play "calls"

We have a lot of work to do.

[Bull94]

Bull94: in order to save space I'm not doing the quote thing. You're correct, he is an FBS QB, I over stated that point. But at USF, a decent QB is not enough, nor is decent coach. To say that BJ can run an offense, then have to break down the types of teams that he can run against, and the type of teams that he can throw against is contradictory. Like I said BJ will not be here next year, Skip most likely will. Why not give Matt a chance to show what he can do? Why not bring in Matt to run a more conventional offense, and use BJ to run more of a situational offense.

BJ is in the top half of the league (#2 this year)as far as QBs are concerned. that should be enough to compete. not sure we can say that about the coach.

BJ is not a great passer. he is a decent passer. He is a great runner. I don't expect him to light up good defenses through the air. I never have.

what's odd is that our coaches continue to do the same thing over and over while expecting different results. it's insane to pass the ball 30+ times against good defenses.it's ridiculous to pass inside our own 20 with under 2 minutes in a half against a secondary that is one of the best in the country with future(now current) NFL players and yet we did it.

you and i both know this. why don't the coaches? I'm not talking blowouts either. I'm talking 1 score games. I don't think we have a prolific offense whether it's Bj, Matt, or Bobby in there. we have no run game(again). our o-line looks suspect. play calling is atrocious.it's not all on BJ. where is our h-back(full back)? our TEs?

Yes I want Matt to get time back there. He needs the experience. I complained after the first cream puff game. Holtz did his usual conservative crap that kept them in the game far to long. He should have been able to play entire 2nd half if Holtz had put his foot on their throat and throttled that team.you can't put him out there against a good defense though. that kid would have gotten killed by rutgers. he would have been sacked 7+ times and the run game would not have helped.

if Holtz is going to keep coaching conservative(and I don't think he will change) then we will lose a lot of close games. it leaves no margin for error and as we have seen this team is a walking comedy when it comes to errors(not just QB either)

[Bull-by-Marriage]

Bull94. How do you know that Matt would've been sacked 7+ times? Maybe we could run quick slants, or screen passes, or any other type of pass play that negates a good pass rush. I'm not saying that BJ is a great runner, that actually proves my point, he's a great runner, which translates to runningbacks. The entire team needs work, there's no doubt about that, but some of the fault lies with BJ. As far as play calls, have you ever stopped to think that BJ may run the O just fine in paractice, but panic in games? I'm not defending holtz and staff and I'm not placing the blame squarely on BJ's shoulders, but I still say it's the chicken or the egg argument. Even a spread offense has to be able to throw against good defenses, if all we have is a QB that can run, then there will be 7 if not 8 in the box on every play. There is no easy solution, but why not give Matt a chance to see what he can do with the 1's?

[Bull94]

Bull94. How do you know that Matt would've been sacked 7+ times? Maybe we could run quick slants, or screen passes, or any other type of pass play that negates a good pass rush. I'm not saying that BJ is a great runner, that actually proves my point, he's a great runner, which translates to runningbacks. The entire team needs work, there's no doubt about that, but some of the fault lies with BJ. As far as play calls, have you ever stopped to think that BJ may run the O just fine in paractice, but panic in games? I'm not defending holtz and staff and I'm not placing the blame squarely on BJ's shoulders, but I still say it's the chicken or the egg argument. Even a spread offense has to be able to throw against good defenses, if all we have is a QB that can run, then there will be 7 if not 8 in the box on every play. There is no easy solution, but why not give Matt a chance to see what he can do with the 1's?

his first start ever coming behind that line with no run game support? why didn't we run any type of plays that negates the pressure for BJ? BTW it might seem obvious to us to run plays to counter a defensive scheme or strength but our coaches have proven very few times that they are up to the task.

I agree it's the chicken or egg. Holtz is ultimately responsible for winning and losing. He is the one that gets paid big bucks. It's his 3rd year. the running game looks suspect. the line is shaky.If the chicken wasn't getting the job done for him then perhaps he should have found a replacement by now. Obviously he doesn't think a redshirt freshman named Floyd is the guy. I defend Bj because I think our fans give him a raw deal. I don't think the coaches use him to the best of his abilties. I think he would be a great college QB in a system like kansas state's. anyne who thinks our only problem is the starting QB is blind. it runs much deeper and if you ask me the buck stops at the top.

This is a team stacked with seniors. Holtz's scapegoat will be gone next year. of course his excuse will then be that we are young and need to break in a new QB.

his famous quote is "we are a work in progress"

why the hell are we a work in progress in his 3rd year with tons of returning seniors??the entire team has looked lost at times.

There are plenty of coaches out there who have proven you can take players and adapt your philosophy to their strengths and be successful. Rich Rod out in Zona is passing the ball 40 times a game now. top 25 ranking. he rarely passed at WVU or Michigan. bill snyder is running his QB much more(his numbers last year were worse than BJs). top 15 ranking. Both have adapted their offenses to their players strengths.

Our coaches are still trying to make BJ fit their offense instead of fitting their offense around BJ. it's dumb. and a spread offense does not have to pass in order to be successful. just ask west virginia under rich rod.

BTW I'm all for matt floyd playing just don't throw him to the wolves. get him experience when we are blowing somebody out or are being blown out. maybe 1 series a half otherwise.

Edited September 19, 2012 by Bull94