Frishmanflz Posted September 12, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 14 Content Count: 150 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2008 Share Posted September 12, 2012 You all have such a small short sighted view of the college football landscape it isnt even funny. ND as a partner of the BE gave us a bargaining chip in football and all sports. Why do you think the ACC took them in so fast? ND isnt in their conference for football either. Its because having them aligned with your conference makes them more relivant and makes their product more valuable. Its all about MONEY people. What does the BE bring to the table in football and basketball to a TV deal? Not alot. Our football relivance is subpar with no real national team, our once #1 bb conference is now 3rd at best if that. Losing ND to the ACC is a huge hit to the conference whether you want to admit it or not. I am not running around screaming nor do I think the sky is falling. I am a realist. I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago. ESPN set out to destroy the BE when we wouldnt reup with them and their plans are finally coming to fruition. They have taken our 3 most recognizable name brand teams (mind you I didnt say most competiative) in WVU, SU, and Pitt and left the conference with all programs that are not national recognized, they have take a huge bargaining chip in TV negotiations by stealing ND. Dont be suprised if the Big12 takes UL and either Cincy or USF by the end of this season (hope and pray its USF), to all but put the nail in the coffin of the BE before BSU and the other teams get to play a game. ESPN wants the monopoly in college football and now with the 4 team playoff and death of the BCS, if they kill the BE then they will get just that. They will have every power conference under contract and all the major players in college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullFan98 Posted September 12, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 258 Content Count: 7,780 Reputation: 328 Days Won: 7 Joined: 08/13/2010 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Really effects basketball. We already lost Pitt & Syracuse to the ACC and now ND. ESPN is chipping away at the BE basketball franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULLZ Posted September 12, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 106 Content Count: 761 Reputation: 146 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/15/2010 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 No, it's just losing ND particularly is not that big a deal. Period. You're arguing a moot point talking about the other teams. Everyone knows that, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slbpsi63 Posted September 13, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 12 Content Count: 511 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/19/2006 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I think Calhoun's retirement hurts us more than ND leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeybull Posted September 13, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 4 Content Count: 231 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/2011 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Are you people slow? ND going to the ACC all but destroys the BE. The BE partnership with ND gave us a HUGE bargaining chip with NBC. Now what does the BE have? Not a single national relivant football team, a weeaker bb product to sell to who? Now ESPN will come to BE and say "see we told you sign with us or we will destroy you" and they have. The only thing that will save USF is if USF and UL get invited to the Big12 because now FSU and any other ACC teams cant leave with a 50mill buyout. If, and this is a big if, the Big12 wants a Florida presence we may get lucky and move but otherwise we are relegated to CUSA part 2 and will never be at the big boy table again. This year winngin the BE is now more important then ever and winnnig a BCS game. I also expect Navy and BSU to back out of the conference. Why would they stay with a sinking ship that wont be getting anywhere near the same tv money as they thought now? ND going to the ACC is basically a death blow to the BE and its relivance. This guy is right on. Just change our names back to C-USA because that's pretty much what happened. The dust has settled and the Big East got the **** end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow Pie Posted September 13, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 423 Content Count: 7,693 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/04/2008 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Are you people slow? ND going to the ACC all but destroys the BE. The BE partnership with ND gave us a HUGE bargaining chip with NBC. Now what does the BE have? Not a single national relivant football team, a weeaker bb product to sell to who? Now ESPN will come to BE and say "see we told you sign with us or we will destroy you" and they have. The only thing that will save USF is if USF and UL get invited to the Big12 because now FSU and any other ACC teams cant leave with a 50mill buyout. If, and this is a big if, the Big12 wants a Florida presence we may get lucky and move but otherwise we are relegated to CUSA part 2 and will never be at the big boy table again. This year winngin the BE is now more important then ever and winnnig a BCS game. I also expect Navy and BSU to back out of the conference. Why would they stay with a sinking ship that wont be getting anywhere near the same tv money as they thought now? ND going to the ACC is basically a death blow to the BE and its relivance. This guy is right on. Just change our names back to C-USA because that's pretty much what happened. The dust has settled and the Big East got the **** end of the stick. I agree with you that it ruined our TV contract leverage... but disagree that the loss of ND ruined the conference... the conference has been ruined since it refused to get rid of the basketball schools back when Miami, VT, and BC asked them to. Since then the conference has chosen to remain some bipolar conference which is not attractive to football schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm101 Posted September 13, 2012 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 173 Content Count: 7,004 Reputation: 2,260 Days Won: 12 Joined: 06/11/2010 Share Posted September 13, 2012 im freakin out maaannnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deters- Posted September 13, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 67 Content Count: 3,749 Reputation: 309 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/22/2008 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I see your Titanic and raise you one Hindenburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBull Posted September 13, 2012 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 207 Content Count: 3,458 Reputation: 1,428 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/09/2007 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Big East football was already among the walking dead. At worst the loss of Notre Dame was the old Zombieland double-tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeybull Posted September 13, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 4 Content Count: 231 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/2011 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Are you people slow? ND going to the ACC all but destroys the BE. The BE partnership with ND gave us a HUGE bargaining chip with NBC. Now what does the BE have? Not a single national relivant football team, a weeaker bb product to sell to who? Now ESPN will come to BE and say "see we told you sign with us or we will destroy you" and they have. The only thing that will save USF is if USF and UL get invited to the Big12 because now FSU and any other ACC teams cant leave with a 50mill buyout. If, and this is a big if, the Big12 wants a Florida presence we may get lucky and move but otherwise we are relegated to CUSA part 2 and will never be at the big boy table again. This year winngin the BE is now more important then ever and winnnig a BCS game. I also expect Navy and BSU to back out of the conference. Why would they stay with a sinking ship that wont be getting anywhere near the same tv money as they thought now? ND going to the ACC is basically a death blow to the BE and its relivance. This guy is right on. Just change our names back to C-USA because that's pretty much what happened. The dust has settled and the Big East got the **** end of the stick. I agree with you that it ruined our TV contract leverage... but disagree that the loss of ND ruined the conference... the conference has been ruined since it refused to get rid of the basketball schools back when Miami, VT, and BC asked them to. Since then the conference has chosen to remain some bipolar conference which is not attractive to football schools. It ultimately comes down to conference relevance. Without an abundance of big named schools and only a few football teams considered competitive, it really has taken a toll on the original BE schools in the conference. It's a shame really and I would suspect we drop out of the auto BCS bid in the next few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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