Sources say BYU going Independent (done deal), could affect BE

[Bull94]

Flip,

Imagine as an independent, playing a schedule that consists of different teams every other year from the

2 SEC

2 Big 12

2 ACC

2 Big 10

2 BE

that's exactly how Miami scheduled as an independent. that would be fantastic. much better than playing the same 7 teams every year.

even with miami and UF on our schedule, we won't crack top 50 for SOS this year.

Great recruits want to play against great competition in big games.

While that would be great, as apis said: "This is not the same NCAA as it was when Miami, FSU and others were independent.  The BCS has changed all of that."

BCS hasn't changed anything. they still have the same bowls. if anything it would be easier for an independent to play in a top bowl.

did you know the rose has to pick a non-bcs team this year if either a pac ten or big ten team plays for the NC?

Where does it say that the Rose has to pick a non-BCS team?  They could always take a BCS conference runner-up.  Also, bolding a line doesn't make it true.

We're going to have to disagree here.  I don't think they can schedule the way you think they can and unless they try it, there's really no way to tell.

that team would have to be ranked pretty darn high in order to make it as an independent. These are the guide lines from the bcs:

Automatic Qualification

   1.     The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will play in the national championship game.

   2.    The champions of the Atlantic Coast, BIG EAST, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern conferences automatically qualify for BCS games each year.

  3.     One team from among the champions of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference automatically qualify for a BCS game if either: A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or, B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

4.     Notre Dame will automatically qualify for a BCS bowl if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

5.     If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

6.     If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if Step No. 5 has not been applied and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

7.     If any slots remain unfilled after the placement of all teams qualifying for an automatic berth, then the bowls shall choose their participants from the ?pool of eligible teams? (see below.)

people say it could be boise state, utah or tcu this year. they only have to be in the top 12 and have one of the pac ten or big ten champs play for the title(OSU).

can you imagine the vaunted rose bowl taking boise state, the former junior college???

great stuff.

hawaii made a bcs game.

[Bull94]

Flip,

Imagine as an independent, playing a schedule that consists of different teams every other year from the

2 SEC

2 Big 12

2 ACC

2 Big 10

2 BE

that's exactly how Miami scheduled as an independent. that would be fantastic. much better than playing the same 7 teams every year.

even with miami and UF on our schedule, we won't crack top 50 for SOS this year.

Great recruits want to play against great competition in big games.

While that would be great, as apis said: "This is not the same NCAA as it was when Miami, FSU and others were independent.  The BCS has changed all of that."

BCS hasn't changed anything. they still have the same bowls. if anything it would be easier for an independent to play in a top bowl.

did you know the rose has to pick a non-bcs team this year if either a pac ten or big ten team plays for the NC?

Where does it say that the Rose has to pick a non-BCS team?  They could always take a BCS conference runner-up.  Also, bolding a line doesn't make it true.

We're going to have to disagree here.  I don't think they can schedule the way you think they can and unless they try it, there's really no way to tell.

that team would have to be ranked pretty darn high in order to make it as an independent. These are the guide lines from the bcs:

Automatic Qualification

   1.     The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will play in the national championship game.

   2.    The champions of the Atlantic Coast, BIG EAST, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern conferences automatically qualify for BCS games each year.

  3.     One team from among the champions of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference automatically qualify for a BCS game if either: A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or, B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

4.     Notre Dame will automatically qualify for a BCS bowl if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

5.     If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

6.     If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if Step No. 5 has not been applied and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

7.     If any slots remain unfilled after the placement of all teams qualifying for an automatic berth, then the bowls shall choose their participants from the ?pool of eligible teams? (see below.)

ND is top 8. non-bcs top 12.

I don't know? top 5??

I'm sure they have considered it.

[2000bull]

Flip,

Imagine as an independent, playing a schedule that consists of different teams every other year from the

2 SEC

2 Big 12

2 ACC

2 Big 10

2 BE

that's exactly how Miami scheduled as an independent. that would be fantastic. much better than playing the same 7 teams every year.

even with miami and UF on our schedule, we won't crack top 50 for SOS this year.

Great recruits want to play against great competition in big games.

While that would be great, as apis said: "This is not the same NCAA as it was when Miami, FSU and others were independent.  The BCS has changed all of that."

BCS hasn't changed anything. they still have the same bowls. if anything it would be easier for an independent to play in a top bowl.

did you know the rose has to pick a non-bcs team this year if either a pac ten or big ten team plays for the NC?

Where does it say that the Rose has to pick a non-BCS team?  They could always take a BCS conference runner-up.  Also, bolding a line doesn't make it true.

We're going to have to disagree here.  I don't think they can schedule the way you think they can and unless they try it, there's really no way to tell.

that team would have to be ranked pretty darn high in order to make it as an independent. These are the guide lines from the bcs:

Automatic Qualification

   1.     The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will play in the national championship game.

   2.    The champions of the Atlantic Coast, BIG EAST, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern conferences automatically qualify for BCS games each year.

  3.     One team from among the champions of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference automatically qualify for a BCS game if either: A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or, B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

4.     Notre Dame will automatically qualify for a BCS bowl if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

5.     If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

6.     If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if Step No. 5 has not been applied and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

7.     If any slots remain unfilled after the placement of all teams qualifying for an automatic berth, then the bowls shall choose their participants from the ?pool of eligible teams? (see below.)

people say it could be boise state, utah or tcu this year. they only have to be in the top 12 and have one of the pac ten or big ten champs play for the title(OSU).

can you imagine the vaunted rose bowl taking boise state, the former junior college???

great stuff.

hawaii made a bcs game.

correct, but all those teams that have a chance of making it are part of a conference, they're not independent.

[Bull94]

OU at a neutral site can be considered 1/2 a home game. I bet they did alright financially playing in front of 110,000 in dallas. UF plays UG neutral every year. Alabama, Virginia Tech, etc. play neutral site games.

Nevada and Fresno state??? That's why they should stay??? to keep them on their schedule??? wow.

Utah, their main rival, will not play them if they are in the MWC. They might as an independent.

On thing is for sure, the guys running BYU's athletic department know a hell of a lot more than you or I. they get paid big bucks to make these decisions and I doubt they do it on the fly. they have been looking at this for quite awhile. If they do it, they know exactly what they are getting into.

I wouldn't call it 1/2 a home game when the crowd was certainly more than 50% OU fans. Yes, they probably gained a good deal of $$$ from playing that game, but OU won't give them a 1 for 1.

I said that adding Fresno State, Boise State and Nevada was better off than the 4 games they's be playing against the WAC. I would think that you'd agreee with that. Again, BYU is not going to get the type of teams you think they will if they go independent. They will get the PAC 10 teams and some ACC teams 1 for 1, but the other BCS leagues are a different story.

If they want to go independent to keep Utah on the schedule, then so be it. That's not the way they should be thinking. They have a better shot at a BCS game staying the MWC.

They made over $2M playing that game. Of course I'd agree playing those 3 is better. the problem is they have to play 5 more and most are against crappy teams. I still think 4 against the WAC > than 8 vs MWC.

They will have no problem building a schedule. I'm sure their AD has taken this into consideration. It's better playing an independent schedule every year than it is being forced to play wyoming, san diego state, unlv, fresno state, new mexico, colorado state, boise state, and nevada every year.

I understand boise state is the hot program right now but their reputation as a school is junk. they are a former junior college.

BYU lost Utah. There is no other reason to stay. they thought it would be the 2 of them joining the pac 10.

[South_Florida_Flip]

Of course I'd agree playing those 3 is better. the problem is they have to play 5 more and most are against crappy teams. I still think 4 against the WAC > than 8 vs MWC.

They will have no problem building a schedule. I'm sure their AD has taken this into consideration. It's better playing an independent schedule every year than it is being forced to play wyoming, san diego state, unlv, fresno state, new mexico, colorado state, boise state, and nevada every year.

I understand boise state is the hot program right now but their reputation as a school is junk. they are a former junior college.

BYU lost Utah. There is no other reason to stay. they thought it would be the 2 of them joining the pac 10.

Here are your 6 options from the WAC (provided they are still even a league, which would throw a wrench in BYU's plan for independence if they cease to exist): Louisiana Tech, San Jose State, Hawai'i, New Mexico State, Idaho, and Utah State. Any 8 game Mountai West schedule is better than having to pick between 4 of those 6 programs. Hell, if Louisiana Tech was smart they'd be dialing up the Sun Belt right now.

I disagree that they won't have problem scheduling. As I mentioned earlier, once the schedule gets into October and November there will be slim pickings for BYU. I'd presume they'd play thw WAC teams there, but they'd have no shot at playing a top flight Big 10, Big 12, or SEC program that late in the season.

I wouldn't knock Boise State as a program. They have a better reputation than we do at the moment.

Not sure how BYU thought they were going to the PAC 10 since Colorado was already going and all other indications pointed to the other Big 12 programs. Utah was in the right place at the right time.

[Bull94]

Of course I'd agree playing those 3 is better. the problem is they have to play 5 more and most are against crappy teams. I still think 4 against the WAC > than 8 vs MWC.

They will have no problem building a schedule. I'm sure their AD has taken this into consideration. It's better playing an independent schedule every year than it is being forced to play wyoming, san diego state, unlv, fresno state, new mexico, colorado state, boise state, and nevada every year.

I understand boise state is the hot program right now but their reputation as a school is junk. they are a former junior college.

BYU lost Utah. There is no other reason to stay. they thought it would be the 2 of them joining the pac 10.

Here are your 6 options from the WAC (provided they are still even a league, which would throw a wrench in BYU's plan for independence if they cease to exist): Louisiana Tech, San Jose State, Hawai'i, New Mexico State, Idaho, and Utah State. Any 8 game Mountai West schedule is better than having to pick between 4 of those 6 programs. Hell, if Louisiana Tech was smart they'd be dialing up the Sun Belt right now.

I disagree that they won't have problem scheduling. As I mentioned earlier, once the schedule gets into October and November there will be slim pickings for BYU. I'd presume they'd play thw WAC teams there, but they'd have no shot at playing a top flight Big 10, Big 12, or SEC program that late in the season.

I wouldn't knock Boise State as a program. They have a better reputation than we do at the moment.

Not sure how BYU thought they were going to the PAC 10 since Colorado was already going and all other indications pointed to the other Big 12 programs. Utah was in the right place at the right time.

BYU has been working on the pac ten for decades. same with utah.

Boise state is a great program. they are a lousy school.

ND is an independent. navy and army are independents. they schedule just fine.

BYu could play them if they had to  + the 4 Wac schools late in the season. That's 7 possible games.

We'll just have to disagree. I think it's more than doable and so does the BYU administration.

[South_Florida_Flip]

ND, Army, and Navy all carry more of a name than BYU does.

BYU may want to play them, but the feeling may not be mutual.

I am sure it is doable for them if they believe it to the the case. I just think the grass isn't as green in that pasture as they think it is.

[usf97]

I know this article doesn't include that Nevada and Fresno State are moving to the MWC but I think those 2 teams are irrelavant. It would be like if the Big East Lost Pitt or West Virginia and added Memphis and UCF and tried to spin it that the conference had not weakened.

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2010/8/18/1629887/the-biggest-winner-of-byu-going

This may be the death of the WAC and the weakening of the MWC.

TCU will just keep praying that the old Big 12 will one day come calling but they and Boise State will still never be taken seriously. They may make a BCS game but no one will care because of the level of their competition.

The WAC may have seriously fallen below the Sun Belt in conference pecking order. Maybe they can expand and get UL-Monroe and Lafayette and change their name to the Western/Louisiana Athletic Conference...the WLAC.

[Apis Bull]

Flip,

Imagine as an independent, playing a schedule that consists of different teams every other year from the

2 SEC

2 Big 12

2 ACC

2 Big 10

2 BE

that's exactly how Miami scheduled as an independent. that would be fantastic. much better than playing the same 7 teams every year.

even with miami and UF on our schedule, we won't crack top 50 for SOS this year.

Great recruits want to play against great competition in big games.

While that would be great, as apis said: "This is not the same NCAA as it was when Miami, FSU and others were independent.  The BCS has changed all of that."

BCS hasn't changed anything. they still have the same bowls. if anything it would be easier for an independent to play in a top bowl.

did you know the rose has to pick a non-bcs team this year if either a pac ten or big ten team plays for the NC?

Where does it say that the Rose has to pick a non-BCS team?  They could always take a BCS conference runner-up.  Also, bolding a line doesn't make it true.

We're going to have to disagree here.  I don't think they can schedule the way you think they can and unless they try it, there's really no way to tell.

I didn't say bolding it makes it true. read up. it's the rose bowls turn to take a non-bcs team.

The big winners of college football???s bowl-a-palooza are teams such as Boise State, Utah and TCU, who could play in the Rose Bowl. If the non-Big Six powers can't play themselves into the national title game, they can at least have a shot at the Rose Bowl. That's right: The bastion of bowl tradition could have Boise State. The first time the Rose Bowl loses the Pac-10 and/or Big Ten champion to the BCS title game and a non-Big Six team qualifies for the BCS, the Rose must take that non-Big Six team

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/185571

They mean they have to take a non AQ from the Big 6.  They could always take a second place team from one of the BCS conferences.  Only, if a non-BCS school meets the requirements for a autobid would they have to take them.

[Bull94]

Flip,

Imagine as an independent, playing a schedule that consists of different teams every other year from the

2 SEC

2 Big 12

2 ACC

2 Big 10

2 BE

that's exactly how Miami scheduled as an independent. that would be fantastic. much better than playing the same 7 teams every year.

even with miami and UF on our schedule, we won't crack top 50 for SOS this year.

Great recruits want to play against great competition in big games.

While that would be great, as apis said: "This is not the same NCAA as it was when Miami, FSU and others were independent.  The BCS has changed all of that."

BCS hasn't changed anything. they still have the same bowls. if anything it would be easier for an independent to play in a top bowl.

did you know the rose has to pick a non-bcs team this year if either a pac ten or big ten team plays for the NC?

Where does it say that the Rose has to pick a non-BCS team?  They could always take a BCS conference runner-up.  Also, bolding a line doesn't make it true.

We're going to have to disagree here.  I don't think they can schedule the way you think they can and unless they try it, there's really no way to tell.

I didn't say bolding it makes it true. read up. it's the rose bowls turn to take a non-bcs team.

The big winners of college football???s bowl-a-palooza are teams such as Boise State, Utah and TCU, who could play in the Rose Bowl. If the non-Big Six powers can't play themselves into the national title game, they can at least have a shot at the Rose Bowl. That's right: The bastion of bowl tradition could have Boise State. The first time the Rose Bowl loses the Pac-10 and/or Big Ten champion to the BCS title game and a non-Big Six team qualifies for the BCS, the Rose must take that non-Big Six team

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/185571

They mean they have to take a non AQ from the Big 6.  They could always take a second place team from one of the BCS conferences.  Only, if a non-BCS school meets the requirements for a autobid would they have to take them.

I'm not sure what you mean here but they have to take a non-BCS qualifier (top 12) when the pac ten champ or big ten champ go to the NC. They can't take a 2nd place BCS team over a non-bcs qualifier.

since they went to 5 BCS games, there hasn't been a year that a non-bcs team didn't qualify. in fact there were 2 last year.