so when is the trial date

[USF_Grouper]

just because people 'didn't see' the incident.. it doesn't mean it did not happen...

LOL!  Uh...if no one saw a slap then why was Leavitt fired?  Are you suggesting high profile football coaches should be fired for mere accusations?

Now try and keep an open-mind.  This is hardly an earthshattering revelation.  If 100 people are at a party and 10 people witness someone get punched, it probably happened.  It doesn't matter that we talk to the other 90 people and they say "I didn't see anything".  Probably they were hanging out by the door, at the punch bowl, or getting some more sweedish meatballs.  No different here.  I think the point was that if a witness claims they observed the interaction between Leavitt and Miller and it was nothing more than Leavitt giving him a pep-talk that is one thing.  But you seem to be taking accounts from athletes who say "no, I didn't see anything".  Or worse, saying he seemed pretty upset but they looked away and trying to score those as observations that no inappropriate contact occured.

[Who'sYourData?]

How many times do you have to be told to STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS!?!

Why is this such a difficult concept?  Discuss the situation, not each other. 

As to the rest of the discussion, this thread is talking about the same he said/she said that was being discussed four months ago.  It wasn't resolved then, obviously, so it won't be resolved now.  Move on to something more constructive.

[Who'sYourData?]

Whether he knelt down or didn't is minutia, irrelevant and of no importance.  It's all about the slap.  Did it happen or not?

Are you kidding?  That is the most important part of the investigation.  It demonstrates that Leavitt lied, flat out.  Therefore he had something to hide, and nothing else he said can be believed.  Leavitt better have a really, really good explanation for that part of his crazy story, or he has no case whatsoever.

[Triple B]

Whether he knelt down or didn't is minutia, irrelevant and of no importance.  It's all about the slap.  Did it happen or not?

Are you kidding?  That is the most important part of the investigation.  It demonstrates that Leavitt lied, flat out.  Therefore he had something to hide, and nothing else he said can be believed.  Leavitt better have a really, really good explanation for that part of his crazy story, or he has no case whatsoever.

Actually, I'm not buying that's the most important part. To be lying, you have to think what you're telling is not true and I think leavitt actually believed he did that. Contrary to what some believe, I don't think Leavitt is that stupid to say something like that if he didn't think it was true when there were witnessess all around ..... but isn't this the he said/she said that was being discussed 4 months ago so shouldn't we be moving on? 

[Who'sYourData?]

..... but isn't this the he said/she said that was being discussed 4 months ago so shouldn't we be moving on? 

So, what's your point?   

Really, I do think this and the locker room trashing incident are the essence of the case.  Everything else is noise.  The crux of the case isn't the alleged slap, it's that Leavitt was trying to manipulate the case.

One other thing that people seem to be missing.  USF has no obligation to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Leavitt committed assault.  USF is/was not in a position to try Leavitt by jury.  All USF has to do is to ensure they conducted a fair investigation, and conclude that Leavitt had broken university policy.  Lying to an investigative team he was told to cooperate with is plenty of reason to be fired.  No need to get hung up on little details like whether he struck a student athlete.

[2000bull]

so did he headbutt the player's helmet before or after he knelt down to console some random player he thought was miller? just wondering

[2000bull]

so did he headbutt the player's helmet before or after he knelt down to console some random player he thought was miller? just wondering

Thanks for your valuable input, 2000!

it's not input, it's a question?

[cmhatter]

so did he headbutt the player's helmet before or after he knelt down to console some random player he thought was miller? just wondering

LOL

[Triple B]

so did he headbutt the player's helmet before or after he knelt down to console some random player he thought was miller? just wondering

Thanks for your valuable input, 2000!

it's not input, it's a question?

And a valid one .... if done before, CJL may not even remember exactly what happened .... which means he wasn't lying when he told his story. To lie, you have to know what you're saying is false.

[Who'sYourData?]

And a valid one .... if done before, CJL may not even remember exactly what happened .... which means he wasn't lying when he told his story. To lie, you have to know what you're saying is false.

Not valid.  Someone didn't just walk up to Leavitt out of the blue and ask him what happened a few weeks prior.  Leavitt had days and weeks to remember exactly what happened, and come up with what he was going to tell investigators.  Somehow, he manages to "remember" the event completely differently than what actually happened.  Seriously, how do you "recall"that you were kneeling down tugging on the player's knee, when you were actually standing up and in his face? 

There is a lot of he said/she said going on, but there is no doubt Leavitt concocted this portion of the story.  Even his most ardent supporters in the locker room say he was standing up and in Erskin's face.  If Leavitt really has his own story that wrong in his mind, that would be reason enough for him not to coach the team.

And don't forget, there were also plenty of people saying that he discussed the incident in the days immediately following, trying to cover his tracks.  Obviously, the incident was at the forefront of his mind, not one he'd forget.